TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

[dAnceguy117]

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Sorry for disappearing!

Looks like we've got a couple newer players racking up some votes, a few power players throwing their weight around, and plenty of activity. The amount of input already is very encouraging.

I'll list what I believe are my strongest reads to this point, as well as a couple players who puzzle me thoroughly.


yo man - town
I reread the game hosted by Manti where yo man, V, and Kraut were the three wolves. yo man never once analyzed other players as deeply as he did here; in that game, he relied on vague attacks. I see yo man's "emotional reactions" as simply wanting to play the game past Day 1.


V - town
Dude prods people constantly. Sure, wolves can do that, but I view his contributions as purely pro-town. If he were a wolf, I think his aggression would be unsustainable, as he would have to avoid pressuring his own compadres.


Manti - wolfy
A couple of Manti's posts seem off to me. Check out where he fuels the fire for votes against yo man, while not taking any action himself:

Personally I find the fact that he regurgitated data from valid points made by others quite suspicious.

(that's the entire post)


Zoshi - wolfy
Inactivity happens. Hell, I've been gone for 24 hours. To me, inactivity becomes particularly suspicious when a player pops in solely to defend him/herself with specific excuses. Case in point:

Also want to point out AGAIN (said it before last game twice) that I'm not inactive, my timezone is GMT+1. I'm available from 4-12pm weekdays and 1pm-3am on weekends. I'm constantly on my 3G phone so please don't call me inactive, it bugs me, call me unfortunate, it's hard having to read 4 pages when I'm sleep and 5 posts when I'm awake.

AC1 - ???
Upon entering the thread, AC1 immediately started slinging what appear to be serious votes. Analysis of other players has been decent but accusation-heavy. Ex:

Every one of Zoshi's posts has been bad. To name a few: putting a quick second vote on yoman -- offering nothing more than a reiteration of my reasoning -- and the post on the previous page allowing himself to be frustrated by Viccica.

danceguy is doing this too, and I'm hoping for something substantial from both of you

Freaky rubs me the wrong way for running back to his 2 pool strategy that I guess didn't work last time and already establishing a pattern of revenge voting. I don't know if this is how he normally plays, and he's just extremely prideful, but I've never known anyone to do that in a game maybe short of Afro.

I agree with the vote on Zoshi, though.


cedo - ???
He has posted what appears to be honest detective work:

As for freaky, he's too...bark. He says a lot, and confuses me to be honest. He wreaks of wolf in a sense because he comes on strong trying to fit in, but I don't think he's the real threat.

On the other hand, some of his comments seem like posturing. Example:

Hmm. I wonder why. You're smart, I'm sure you can figure out why I'm looking for wolf behavior. I mean, you've hit just about everything else.

I'm gonna leave my vote on Zoshi. The vote was initially random, but now it's backed by actual reasoning.

[dAnceguy117]

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also I wish I were a faster reader

[Viccica]

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Do me!

[Tps222]

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Freaky's post count could be cut in half if he would just condense his triple posts into a single coherent post. I think that's the biggest reason why people are reacting the way they are to you Freaky, your mindset seems very fluid. You're essentially the FFR Ribs of this game it seems.

Well anyway, I'll be back at my house at 22-23 and I'll be able to talk in depth about my motives and stances. I love the over-analyzing of my V vote though. I don't have much analytic skills but I know a lot about reasoning and from my experience, I find it easier to read people when they're directly suspecting you and thus I like playing the first day by creating a bit of controversity about me and being in a grey area. But like I said, I'm just playing it dumb right now.

This reads as a bunch of bullshit to me. I understand the strategy you're describing, I've attempted to use it in the past, but I really don't think it works in the end. Admitting that you're playing dumb is pointless and negates anything that you would be trying to do, other then appearing as a rationalized attempt to defend yourself (which I realize is in your own self-interest, but shouldn't be the driving force behind your play).

I'm not going to switch my vote off of JRodd yet, because I feel like he dodged my questioning on his YoMan vote and switched his vote to Freaky, the easiest and safest vote to probably place at this point.

[freakysnots]

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I dislike making huge posts that list out how I feel about everyone. Smaller posts that target one person specifically are easier for me to write. I am making posts with logic, but it is being discarded by a lot of you as random fluff. Furthermore I get the vibe that people are starting to set up a future bandwagon based on my play style. This is really getting out of hand and can easily be manipulated by wolves for an easy lynch and I can see it has already begun to snowball.

This aside, I don't like vic. I always have bad memories from every game I play with her. She refuses to make any sense and when I read her posts, I feel like she skims through the first word of every post and tries to formulate an argument. And when people respond or talk to her, she somehow convinces herself she knows what is going on even without reading the thread. This isn't really game related though. She acted like this last game and was a mason. It doesn't make any sense and I don't know how we can deal with these players other than seering them.

[Crazyjayde]

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and your name is jayde?

Lol, didn't realize this would come as an issue, such a uncommon username for a guy. Real name is Vincent. Nickname came from a crazy girl named Jayde back in early puberty with whom I've played Stick Arena together. Kind of a tribute to 'Crazy Jay' from Stickpage.com.

Alright, since I've got so much on my mind right now, I'll be preparing a (hopefully) concise post about how I feel about everyone. I just want to be sure how you guys feel about the length of my posts and if you'd like the short version or not.

Also, to respond to TPS views:

I find it easier to read people when they're directly suspecting you and thus I like playing the first day by creating a bit of controversity about me and being in a grey area. But like I said, I'm just playing it dumb right now.

This reads as a bunch of bullshit to me. I understand the strategy you're describing, I've attempted to use it in the past, but I really don't think it works in the end. Admitting that you're playing dumb is pointless and negates anything that you would be trying to do, other then appearing as a rationalized attempt to defend yourself (which I realize is in your own self-interest, but shouldn't be the driving force behind your play).

God, I should reread myself before posting. GF was coming back from shower and I had to submit reply really quickly, but that's not relevant anyway to my dumbness. I forgot to state that I am actually addressing my early vote on V and the events that followed until my vote on cedo. I only wanted to reiterate what I said earlier in better words, since I felt it was a pretty dumb plan after all and it got me unnecessary suspicions. I'm referring to this post:

That aside, I only want to state that I like to create early disturbances when in start of the game since it really has no significant repercussion (given that I'm also a new player). I feel like this is gonna fall flat in a C9++ format though.

It was really just a introductory strategy I had already used successfully for IRL TWG but didn't achieve much in this case. It will never be the main line of thought for my posts. Felt like it made so much fuss for nothing.

[Crazyjayde]

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By the way, before going into anything. Regarding Vic' and YMIA discussion earlier, I feel redundancy is key to establishing solid opinions about people, if I wouldn't develop over people thoughts or my own, I would be pretty much out of ideas and we wouldn't progress further. What makes it valid as a way of incriminating someone is the way he is using it to his advantage. The appropriation of others' thoughts should be implied in somebody's rhetoric, in any other way, it can lead to suspicion. (Thinking of how Jrodd's been agreeing with everyone from the beginning of the game, I'll get on that more fully. YMIA or manti even)

[Crazyjayde]

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The more I look into your play style Jrodd the more I become confused about what his out of the norm for you. I know the "^ this" is how you work, and you seem really pro-town, but I couldn't get my head around why you would agree so much in start of game while keeping your distances and throwing votes on already highlighted people. I need answers Statham.

inb4 Fojar makes me into a tranvestite in the game story

[Vendetta21]

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I dont think anyone else caught that you are French. I had thought some of your ways of phrasing things odd. Are the two connected?

Also calling yourself dumb is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sometimes in the periphery of my eye I see a shadow of myself that wants to tell me I'm stupid or I am wrong or someone is tricking me. I try not to look at it or listen to it when I'm playing the werewolf game unless I absolutely must. That shadow gets me killed so fucking often.

What I'm saying is believe in your instinct. The worst you can do is misfire which happens like 75% of the time on D1 anyways. I have been giving a small amount of deference because I assumed a language barrier but continuing to call yourself stupid after someone has called it into question... I cannot allow excuses that cloud my judgment to continue to exist forever and will eventually lynch you for them.

[Vendetta21]

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Also before I go to bed I want to say that I am 80% confident cedolad is a wolf and I truly believe he should be lynched today as he has displayed far and beyond the largest number of wolf tells.

At this point the two people's perspectives I am most interested in are darkmanticorex2 and James May. I think we should be moving into a more serious lynch phase tomorrow and I want their opinions.

@fojar can you prod James May?

[Crazyjayde]

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I dont think anyone else caught that you are French. I had thought some of your ways of phrasing things odd. Are the two connected?

French is my maternal tongue and is also the main language I speak orally. I am an advanced english speaker but when I do speak english, my mind needs to transfer data according to my natural tongue. I believe both are connected but shouldn't come as a major issue.

...but continuing to call yourself stupid after someone has called it into question... I cannot allow excuses that cloud my judgment to continue to exist forever and will eventually lynch you for them

Be assured that this only refers to my earlier reactions. I don't often self-reflect upon my methods unless it requires more explanation or felt like I made a mistake of judgement. If I'd be you and I'd see a player calling himself dumb for an uncalled reason, I'd be sure to fire.

[Zoshi]

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It's day 1, I never have much to say day 1.

[Crazyjayde]

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Didn't you reflect your last game? You got yourself a bandwagon pretty quickly for the exact same reasons, which even caused most players to have suspicions on you until end game. This lack of contribution is not pro-town in any way and does not correspond to how you would have played if you acknowledged the repercussions of your past activity. I mean, you're not giving any effort to be town right now or be part of the collectivity. Given the fact that you were full guard last time I'm sure you are smart enough to understand that not much good can come out of this.
I can have suspicions all you want about you, but I want to know if they're valid enough.

[FoJaR]

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VOTECOUNT: Day 1 (ends Monday 8 PM EST)

cedo (2): V, jayde
freaky (2): yoman, jrodd
zoshi (2): dance, AC1
viccica (2): Manti, James
yoman (2): zoshi, freaky
James (1): viccica
jrodd (1): TPS
jayde (1): cedo

5 votes to lynch


nobody has voted since two pages ago, just putting it up here so you dont have to go looking for it.

[FoJaR]

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for what it's worth one of my main handles online is Daisy

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