TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I like how freaky's consistent zoshi votes are bleeding over into this game.



This is a good point. I'm not used to playing in games where the game doesn't start with a night phase, I'm assuming this is because of the c9++ format. It creates an interesting dynamic, because so many people rely on the analysis of the any night action (successful guard, wolfing etc) to base their initial postings from. Now, it's all about identifying the tone of the game, and the approaches taken.

If anything, posting anything, even stuff that you feel may not be contributory-worthy (i'm thinking of james may/OWA from last game) is definitely important. It creates situations where the wolves will attempt to assimilate themselves into the conversation naturally.

The advantage here is that it only appears natural during the day phase. Referencing the game I just played, having the ability to go back after Kraut was modkilled and analyze all the posts that referenced him (which seemed completely natural and innocent at the time) eventually lead to V and others honing in on Gun, lynching him as the 2nd wolf.

Basically what i'm saying is that fear is a tool of the wolf, because only they should be afraid this game. I'll start off with a vote on yomanimawesome because I hate votes without explicitly stated reasoning. Explain yourself! Information is our friend.

I'm sure you didn't quite mean it this way, but is my lack of evidence more suspicious than j-rodd's? I'd like to know why you chose me over him to vote for in the beginning of Day 1 when I already had a vote on my head.

And quite honestly, I was merely following the crowd, bandwagoning if you will. I saw that j-rodd and freakysnots posted votes without reasoning, almost just to have something out there, like a placeholder. So, I followed suit is all.

And you?

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

yo man we should be lynching people trying to fit in.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

fantastic, I join a game after like 5 games of not playing, try to figure out what's going on, and get lynched day one. Fanfkingtastic

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I still want 2 voting pools for this game.

Having a second voting pool will let us control the SK's kills if he wants to pretend to be a vigi. If not, we will know there is a SK in this game. Win/win.

i.e. zoshi vigi: manti

Look we need to kill this idea right now before you pollute the thread with 20 fuckin posts about it.

We should probably state multiple suspicions throughout the course of the day and that should be a natural part of play, but seeing as you weren't able to convince anyone to do this last game and you didn't even do it yourself, you need to understand when the horse has a broken leg and just shoot it out of mercy for Christs sake.

[FoJaR]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

VOTECOUNT: Day 1 (ends Monday 8 PM EST)

yoman (3): jrodd, TPS, freaky
James (1): viccica
viccica (1): yoman
freaky (1): dance
manti (1): V

4 votes to lynch

yet to vote: Manti, james, zoshi, jayde, AC1, cedo

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

we need to kill this idea right now

we can't assume our vigi is competent

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Oh dear, the freaky posts are happening again.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

unvote

All I wanted was a reaction from you, YoMan. I've never played with you before, I have played with jRodd. That is why I chose you. Your outburst is a bit premature though, it's nothing personal and I don't even know why 2 people bandwagoned after I did.

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

unvote

All I wanted was a reaction from you, YoMan. I've never played with you before, I have played with jRodd. That is why I chose you. Your outburst is a bit premature though, it's nothing personal and I don't even know why 2 people bandwagoned after I did.

i voted him before u did

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

and you got a reaction, why not keep the pressure there?

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

we can't assume our vigi is competent

Should we also post who we think should be seered, guarded in every post? We can't assume our seers or guards are competent either. This strategy highlights vigilantes arbitrarily, and assumes that they have any reason to trust the masses more than their own instinct when the masses spent two days being wrong last game. Additionally vigilantes should not fire every night, and sometimes never at all. There are just so many problems with your strategy and you are so stubbornly and emotionally attached to it that most aren't willing to put in the effort to argue with you. That and arguing with you takes away from the immediate task at hand.

I am willing because the less white noise your brain generates the more focused on the signal your brain will be.

Most of us have come to terms with the way one must play C9++ since we have tried it first hand. Apparently you haven't:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

There links to fourteen games with this set-up played by fairly experienced players, go look at how the town approaches the game in the ones they win and reconsider your approach.

Additionally, here is play advice from mafiascum wiki to playing vigilante roles for you and everyone:

The philosophy of when and how often a player should shoot is debatable. One school of thought is that kills narrow down the pool of suspects, so any player that is not less likely to be scum than random should be fair game for being shot. This same school of thought favors killing on every Night, including Night 0 (when there is no game-related information about any player).

The other school of thought is that Vigilante kills take away majority-rules lynches from the Town, placing too much power in one player's fallible hands. This school of thought advocates only shooting players who are likely to be scum (or even whoever the Town collectively dictates should be shot), and not shooting otherwise.

The best play as a Vigilante is to shoot scum. This requires the Vig to find scum. There is no easy way to do this. However, because of their ability to make or break entire games depending on who they target, Vigs are frequently lauded and/or blamed for their decisions beyond appropriate proportions. Thus, as a Vig your best bet is to make decisions that will not cause you to be hated by every other player in the game. If in doubt, shoot a player that people would want to policy lynch (i.e. lurkers).

[freakysnots]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

my vote is intentional and is staying right there.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

and you got a reaction, why not keep the pressure there?

because the purpose of my vote was to see how he reacts to pressure. It was a pretty emotional reaction, one that intrinsically feels human to me. With 2 votes already on him (my apologies on mis-attributing your vote as a bandwagon one), I don't see the purpose of keeping the vote tally that high.

Freaky might be my new favorite player though, whenever I scroll down and see that his post is next, I know i'm in store for some absurd nonsense and hilarity.

He's essentially playing the same game as last game. I don't know if that's normal for him, but it makes a great cover for a wolf.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Wasn't arguing with your vote just trying to make us attempt the strategy. I don't really mind if you list your #2 suspicion, that's your call.

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog,

because the purpose of my vote was to see how he reacts to pressure. It was a pretty emotional reaction, one that intrinsically feels human to me. With 2 votes already on him (my apologies on mis-attributing your vote as a bandwagon one), I don't see the purpose of keeping the vote tally that high.
lf.

Good that was my thoughts on his reaction as well

ac1