S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

When I saw Bat Country and it was J7 I immediately just ditched System.

Bat Country destroys the living SHIT out of System. Sorry, but System is nothing compared to that Bat Country

Quite true, but hey, how many people actually recognise Bat Country haha.

[Dynam0]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

Prime example of mirroring something NOT because of bad habits. Nice try

Bat Country is sick

[NoPrivacy]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

Honestly, i only know Bat Country lmao.

[Staiain]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

Agreeing with Dynamo, this is like 2nd most mirror-taboo'd song of all time (if we count JHM in)


Still never tried Bat Country since it's crashing my sm rofl

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

Prime example of mirroring something NOT because of bad habits. Nice try

Agreeing with Dynamo, this is like 2nd most mirror-taboo'd song of all time (if we count JHM in)

I understand where you are coming from, but remember that it's still pretty hard regardless if it's Mirror or non-Mirror. They have the same amount of steps, the structure's pretty much the same, the only difference is that the patterns are well, mirrored.

Since S.Y.S.T.E.M. is very left-hand biased, you'd think that people who are really good at wrist jacking with their left hand would have a significant advantage compared to someone who's really good at wrist jacking with their right hand. Not everyone is good at wrist jacking with their right hand, so I don't really see why Mirror shouldn't be used for a file like SYSTEM. Might as well not allow mirroring for files like RATO (FFR's version) or Rave7 because the patterns are "easier" on Mirror for some people, although they're not mindblocked non-mirrored.

It's like using a tool that's meant for left handers when your dominant hand is the right, it's difficult for you to do, and most left handers are able to use the tool with ease. Might as well use the same type of tool, but for right handers, than to continue using that tool.

I apologize if my post came off as discourteous, just that I still don't get how is Mirror such a big deal when it comes to files that you aren't mindblocked on.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

lol wat <______>

also i thought you quit playing sm but apparently not

[V-Ormix]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

I understand where you are coming from, but remember that it's still pretty hard regardless if it's Mirror or non-Mirror. They have the same amount of steps, the structure's pretty much the same, the only difference is that the patterns are well, mirrored.

Since S.Y.S.T.E.M. is very left-hand biased, you'd think that people who are really good at wrist jacking with their left hand would have a significant advantage compared to someone who's really good at wrist jacking with their right hand. Not everyone is good at wrist jacking with their right hand, so I don't really see why Mirror shouldn't be used for a file like SYSTEM. Might as well not allow mirroring for files like RATO (FFR's version) or Rave7 because the patterns are "easier" on Mirror for some people, although they're not mindblocked non-mirrored.

It's like using a tool that's meant for left handers when your dominant hand is the right, it's difficult for you to do, and most left handers are able to use the tool with ease. Might as well use the same type of tool, but for right handers, than to continue using that tool.

I apologize if my post came off as discourteous, just that I still don't get how is Mirror such a big deal when it comes to files that you aren't mindblocked on.

It all comes down to who really cares? your not at any advantage over anyone else cause every ones SM has mirror rofl

[qqwref]

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Yeah, mirror shouldn't be a big deal. If a file is designed to be extremely biased towards one hand, it shouldn't mean that only people who are dominant in that hand should be able to get a WR on it. The only thing that does is prevent proper competition. Mirror doesn't change the patterns or the difficulty of the chart, so there's no unfair advantage in using it. This score is awesome and I am extremely impressed either way.

And honestly, if you want to force people to play the version of the chart that is harder on their dominant hand, you should also force left-handed people to play on mirror (or just have people post scores from both mirror and nonmirror, and only count the worse one). Just saying "don't mirror this chart lol" is unfair.

[foxfire667]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

It all comes down to who really cares? your not at any advantage over anyone else cause every ones SM has mirror rofl

Pretty much. As long as you are not intentionally making the file easier by removing jumps, hands, holds, or mines, it really doesn't matter too much at all.

That system score is pretty insane, but a 96% on Bat Country on J7...HOLY CRAP DUDE. That file is so hard in itself already, but to get that score on J7 is just mind blowing!

[Dynam0]

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I guess I'm stubborn with this issue because I came from a time when the community considered it unacceptable to mirror something. The playing field was leveled in that regard since mirrored scores were compared to playing on shuffle or something (ie. you alter the patterns but not the density etc.).

Today is different as Ormix pointed out; everyone can use mirror and the playing field is leveled, I just think it's important to have a distinction between a mirrored and non-mirrored score and not consider them as equivalent. Just like there are statistics for the best left-handed and right-handed players in sports, it's important to recognize a mirrored score when you see one.

Basically I'm still very interested in seeing non-mirrored SYSTEM scores and hope the community doesn't stop playing it that way for the sake that mirroring it makes it a ton easier. Hope that made sense, I didn't mean to take away from the score because it still is extremely good

[qqwref]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

You don't really mean "non-mirrored", you mean "playing it in the way that's hard for you". For instance, lukestepwalker has 86/7/0/0/2 nonmirrored, but I'm pretty sure that's his dominant style since I haven't seen a better mirror score from him. So that score, while pretty great, is not any more impressive than the same score on the mirrored file done by someone else who prefers mirror.

And it's much different from shuffle because shuffle actually does change how the patterns hit your hands - one-handed trills don't stay that way, jacks on the middle finger vs index finger don't stay that way, and so on. Assuming someone plays spread, mirror actually does perfectly mirror the patterns, so they're hit in the exact same way, but by the opposite hand. But generally for an index or one-handed player I'd say mirror is not cool.

[Dynam0]

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Yes I'm aware of what the mods do, I'm just explaining to you what the general consensus on this was a few years ago. No I quite literally meant non-mirrored; I never once proposed that everyone play the way that makes the file hardest for them, that's just silly. I merely think that non-mirrored scores should be separate from mirrored ones. If the absolute best score on a song is mirrored, that's fine, but I'd also be interested in seeing the non-mirror best as well. Make sense?

[qqwref]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

I'm sure that's how it was in the past, but my point is that that way of looking at it doesn't really make sense and should be abandoned.

And no, that doesn't really make sense. A right-handed player playing on mirror is the same as a left-handed player playing on nonmirror. So wondering about the best nonmirror vs mirror score is basically just wondering what right-handed and what left-handed player has the best score on the chart. Nonmirror isn't any more difficult, at all. It's just more difficult for right-handed players. To me it seems as silly as wondering about the best ASKL score versus the best QWOP score.

Anyway, the point of the score on the harder version of the file is to show off who is really ambidextrous (good at jacking in their non-dominant hand) - someone who gets 20p on one version and can't AA the other might be a lot less impressive than someone who can get 50p on both. It certainly makes sense, but the reason for it is a bit different from what you're probably thinking.

[blindreper1179]

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Either way it's impressive to me. But as for WR go, Imo they should be seperate. Yes, that would bring the debate of there should be one for shuffle, etc. But like qqwref said, those actually change the steps, unlike mirror.

[flash dualist]

Re: S.Y.S.T.E.M. 19g (J7)

I can't MA Terminal Strike at all.

Yes you can. If you can get 19p on S.Y.S.T.E.M, you should be able to DDP terminal strike as well.