The BMS/IIDX Thread

[Breakdown16]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

+1 to this thread.

Also, does anyone here play doubles (14 keys) with IIDX controllers? It feels like my skill has stagnated for several months, and I'd love some advice.

[NeoMasterPie]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

my logitech illuminated just ghosts too hard, I have no ps/2 port and no other KB to dual wield with.

am i fuced

[bmah]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

+1 to this thread.

Also, does anyone here play doubles (14 keys) with IIDX controllers? It feels like my skill has stagnated for several months, and I'd love some advice.

Well I have two KOC controllers and tried 14k once, but I didn't really have a good foundation to keep the two controllers together. I just stuck with 7k afterwards. I suppose then that the first thing to do is to have a good setup before you play doubles.

[Breakdown16]

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The kind of advice I'm looking for is how to build hand speed. I've seen plenty of videos where the player is required to perform short sections of stream or jumpstream on both hands simultaneously - I have trouble doing that even in 7 keys (playing one-handed).

I know the obvious answer is "practice more" - but for all the hours I've put into BMS, I feel like my improvement is woefully small. Maybe there's something I'm doing wrong? I dunno.

[bmah]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

The kind of advice I'm looking for is how to build hand speed. I've seen plenty of videos where the player is required to perform short sections of stream or jumpstream on both hands simultaneously - I have trouble doing that even in 7 keys (playing one-handed).

Chordstream stuff? Yeah, that takes a lot of practice, and if you have a practice mode, I strongly recommend using that and practicing songs with those problematic areas, starting at a slower music rate. Then as you improve, increase the music rate until you play at normal speed.

If your problems with those patterns is executing them as opposed to a reading problem, then I don't have many suggestions for you. One thing I will suggest though is to be flexible - do not assign each of the 7 keys to a particular finger. Overlap, use other fingers (e.g. I can use my thumb for both the 1 and 3 keys), do whatever you need to do to reach those keys. Another thing to be aware of when doing chordstream is to be aware of how far apart the keys are on your controller. They tend to be spaced out further than it is convenient to hit. Overall, my suggestion has less to do with physically making your hands go faster, but rather know strategically where to place your fingers with those patterns.

[Patashu]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

If your problems with those patterns is executing them as opposed to a reading problem, then I don't have many suggestions for you. One thing I will suggest though is to be flexible - do not assign each of the 7 keys to a particular finger.

Just out of curiosity, why do you say this when in any kb rhythm game (stepmania, solo, o2jam, dj max trilogy etc) you keep one finger on each button and stick with it?

[bmah]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

I'd say because you have the flexibility to do so with an IIDX controller, not to mention I've benefited from a not-so-strict setup myself. It's not the same as trying to be flexible with a computer keyboard.

If you're actually playing BMS with a computer keyboard, then I would suggest practicing a similar medium such as solo. As well as strengthening those ring fingers with songs that offer such patterns to practice on them.

[[TeRa]]

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there are players that wrist scratch and assign each button to a single finger that are absolutely ridiculous. so i would definitely not say to not do that when it works wonders

I kinda refuse to play that way though, dolce is the reason I started playing and he plays flexibly. I mean in the future I'll probably end up switching anyway but for now I wanna pass all the files "legit"

[Breakdown16]

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Seems like not many people like to play doubles...(sadface).

But anyways, for doubles at least a certain amount of flexibility is required, since it's impossible to do many patterns while always using the same fingers for the same keys. Like for the P1 side (left hand), I usually use:
1 Pinky
2 Ring
3 Ring
4 Middle
5 Index
6 Index
7 Thumb

But this isn't always possible. For example, to hit 2345 simultaneously, I would use middle, ring, index, and thumb, respectively. Or for awkward pinky-ring trills like 131313, I might use index and ring instead.

[[TeRa]]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

i don't use my pinkies at all when i play >_>
i use like the side of my right hand to hit 7 most the time
anyways yea i never even tried doubles but i would love to, just need to get a game for the ps2 or buy a usb thingy for a ps2 controller

didn't realize you were talking about doubles til this post tho, only read this page my bad

[LongGone]

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Just out of curiosity, why do you say this when in any kb rhythm game (stepmania, solo, o2jam, dj max trilogy etc) you keep one finger on each button and stick with it?

Breakdown plays doubles/7k one handed, and we don't have 7 fingers....

But the mentality applies here. if a 12121 fast trill appears, you don't want to use your ring/mid fingers. you can shift to say, index/mid as they are stronger. you have more liberty doing this with onehanded/14k play

for 7k 2handed play, its almost universal to use 1 finger per key for really hard chordstream/dense patterns. however where accuracy is concerned, freeform play is better; especially at certain patterns like trills and jacks. I'm not a freeform player though so I won't comment deeper than that


...I tried playing 14k on KB before, but can only manage up to IIDX 6s rofl

[bmah]

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Breakdown16, if you go to Bemanistyle, see if you can find Trip Machina...I believe that user plays or used to always play doubles.

[LongGone]

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Linus is damn good at doubles too, see if he still pops by the FFR forum now and then and ask him for advice

[bmah]

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Played IIDX in the first time in forever (probably at least 2 years or more). I've got a skill drop so massive that I can't AAA anything at the moment lol. No improvements on anything I played, except for one really oddball score...

[Tyson ultima]

Re: The BMS/IIDX Thread

Bmah- I suck so hard at IIDX.
AA's a 12.

Yes I wish to be this good.