What do you think Romney is hiding?

[Thatskier]

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R-MONEY BABY...

[wwplpmpn]

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Mitt ROmney is a Genius!!
Seventy debates, not all wrong, but understands NOt what a leader! The taxman goes by housing blocks, and somehow your reasoning has sensed you to THis particular issue! In the end Americans vote for Americans; all the ballots identifying with the campaign trailings. Not all Americans reflect his thought policies, failures included, but what we consider to be great is also what will fundamentally elect us. Money begins with you, football fields, and on the highways, the price is right for highways and medicare. Automatically, everyone is incensed. Parlor shops and casinos have theiR forms bent by economic policies! Truly, Obama, self-identification with wealth; congress communists become irrelevant, and scientists have their proud, but remember that the winner will not be judged on this. When all this slows over, not only will discontentment be reflected, but it will show that exactly: showing victory. How we move forwards.

[Reincarnate]

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lol


romney's ****ed, either way.

[Choofers]

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the question is not what is he hiding

the question is where?

[Reincarnate]

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the question is not what is he hiding

the question is where?

125-126 GeV

[gnr61]

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ryan doesn't seem like that far-fetched or risky a pick IMO. the romney campaign rightfully wants to keep the public eye on the economy and a big hole in his approach has been the lack of a detailed tax plan/budgeting approach which ryan fills pretty neatly. trouble is, i would assume all tea partiers are already on the anti-obama train and therefore have resigned themselves to romney anyways; ryan is a little frightening to me and i imagine a lot of other independents and DEFINITELY isn't going to help romney look any less white and stuffy and male so idk exactly whom he's courting electorate-wise

[Reincarnate]

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ryan doesn't seem like that far-fetched or risky a pick IMO. the romney campaign rightfully wants to keep the public eye on the economy and a big hole in his approach has been the lack of a detailed tax plan/budgeting approach which ryan fills pretty neatly. trouble is, i would assume all tea partiers are already on the anti-obama train and therefore have resigned themselves to romney anyways; ryan is a little frightening to me and i imagine a lot of other independents and DEFINITELY isn't going to help romney look any less white and stuffy and male so idk exactly whom he's courting electorate-wise

I think this is pretty spot on

however, i do think it is still a bit of a risk. not as much as people are saying, but it's still a move done primarily out of fear. i think the strength gained with the right is not going to be enough to offset the loss from independents, esp. due to ryan's hugely unpopular way of handling medicare (of course it's not like romney is just going to absorb all of ryan's views -- just parts that he likes).

romney and ryan, here, can paint themselves as guys who can make tough decisions in contrast to obama's "inactivity." however, it's easy to paint ryan as an extremist.

[dore]

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There is only around 6% of the electorate identifying as undecided voters. Usually that number is much higher at this point in the election. Therefore the Romney campaign is in turnout mode, hoping that the Ryan VP pick will help drive conservatives to the polls in November. A less right-wing VP pick would have very little effect if any in Romney's poll numbers because there is so little ground to be made in the middle. The only way to make gains is to get more conservatives to turn out to the polls.

[Reincarnate]

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There is only around 6% of the electorate identifying as undecided voters. Usually that number is much higher at this point in the election. Therefore the Romney campaign is in turnout mode, hoping that the Ryan VP pick will help drive conservatives to the polls in November. A less right-wing VP pick would have very little effect if any in Romney's poll numbers because there is so little ground to be made in the middle. The only way to make gains is to get more conservatives to turn out to the polls.

Errr, where you getting the 6% figure from?

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149402358/just-how-independent-are-independent-voters

http://macombpolitics.blogspot.com/2012/06/independents-now-rule-american.html

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But yes, I agree with your reasoning -- the idea is to drive conservative support. I just don't think it's going to be enough to offset things in his favor.

[dore]

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http://www.politico.com/p/2012-elect...-election-216/

There's a Fox News poll with 8% "Don't know" (registered voters), Rasmussen likely voter poll with 5% Undecided, NBC WSJ with 8% (and that includes others).

EDIT and I remember hearing something around there on the radio or something but I forget the numbers/source but it was a newer poll too.

[hi19hi19]

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Errr, where you getting the 6% figure from?

http://macombpolitics.blogspot.com/2012/06/independents-now-rule-american.html

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/26/149402358/just-how-independent-are-independent-voters

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But yes, I agree with your reasoning -- the idea is to drive conservative support. I just don't think it's going to be enough to offset things in his favor.

If you read your second article past the headline you'd see where he gets his 6% number from lol

Truly independent voters do exist, according to Abramowitz and Petrocik, but they account for just 10 percent to 15 percent of the electorate. "And once you take away those people who aren't going to turn out, you're down to something like 6 percent or 7 percent," Abramowitz says.

6% undecided, out of 40% registered independent most of whom are just "closet partisans" (awesome term btw)

[Emanresu13]

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the articles you linked reference independent voters, not undecided ones

though i dunno where 6% comes from either (okay well i know now)

from personal experience, most people i've interacted with already know who they will vote for, though

[Reincarnate]

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Re: Emanresu13 and hi19hi19:

Romney's recent move alienates independents, not necessarily the distribution of undecideds.

The numbers dore cited don't address what I'm getting at since you still need to look at the distributions of confidence regarding how many people of each party of voting for whichever candidate.

Although I admit I misread what dore said which is why I asked about the 6% figure (I thought he was assuming 6% independent base, since what we're talking about here is independent voters, not undecideds). The undecided figure is around there, yes -- but again, not what we're talking about here with the recent move.

The move is an appeal to the conservative base as opposed to an appeal to the center (politics 101) -- basically channeling the Karl Rove methodology here. I don't think it's going to work.

[dore]

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I agree that Ryan will not appeal to independent voters, but if the independent voters (as the lack of undecideds would suggest) have already made up their minds, then it might be a worthwhile gamble to assume that they will still vote against Obama while far-right voters (who weren't excited for Romney) will turn out more with Ryan on the ticket.

I still doubt it will work, but Romney needs something to break through and a risky move might be just what he needs. Obama has a healthy lead and the electoral math looks good for him so Romney needed something a little more . . . exciting.

[Reincarnate]

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Definitely an interesting election to follow... I enjoy seeing all the little twists and turns in the narrative XD