FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

[WSCB]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

Okay, Hacylon is harder than Amen Iraq and pretty much every FMO I've played in this game. <_>
LOL AT BURSTS, great song however.

[stavie33]

Why do people think Toxiferious is hard? It's so straightforward, the hardest thing about it are roll walls which can all be jumped. Why I'm good at it is I found that every burst in the whole song, even the weird ones, can be cheated nearly 100% of the time with no split frames except for the final roll wall which has splits but you can get around them. Radical, Anti Ares, Gymnastics, and Ripoff are the caps IMO. But Halcyon is the only FMO I actually can't FC. At all. Some I can't first time, but within 10 or so plays I can FC or mash FC, Halcyon took me forever to FC and still had to resort to mashing. It's just sooo aggressive with those jump patterns and when the bursts comes my fingers stop moving. They are also in patterns that make it extremely hard to jump into and out of, cheating them needs to actually be thought out and not just see burst jump trill it.

lolo isnt fmo :<. never played honki or time to eye so i have no opinion on those

Lolo is the simplest FGO I've come across next to Nevada. I thought it was an impossible file, then I mirrored it and the difficulty literally went from a 30 good score with tons of boos and averages to a AAA. It's a strangely designed file that surprisingly puts a ton of pressure on one hand throughout but you don't even realize it. I also agree with OWA, we can either bump all those down, or bump one song up, but yes, those FGO's are the 4 I found comparable to Halcyon. Halcyon is harder for me than a lot of higher FGO's, but objectively, I'd say it sits with FN, Honki, etc.

[who_cares973]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

lolo is hardly simple ?_______?

FN is simple tho but lolo no

[psychoangel691]

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I'd say it sits with FN, Honki, etc.

Just wanted to mention you're naming 12s that a lot of people think should be dropped to 11s. I think OWA actually mentioned them.

[stavie33]

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Just wanted to mention you're naming 12s that a lot of people think should be dropped to 11s. I think OWA actually mentioned them.

I mentioned OWA in that same post, saying I agree with OWA. I said you can either drop 4 12s to 11s or move one 11 to a 12. They are all borderline and around the same difficulty. The thing is, they are all borderline because they are the hardest FMO's/easiest FGO's, meaning IMO, Halcyon is the current hardest FMO. It's just, as I said, way too aggressive. The jumpstream is fast and dense and has really, really weird patterns and anchors and they never let up, and then they shove bursts at you that result in framers, and none of the patterns are straightforward, you actually have to figure them out.

[yo man im awesome]

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You know, there's something I don't understand:

Why is it people can't just play a file and say they like it or not? Why is it they have to scrutinize every last detail like, for example, let's say it was 1 3 2 4, but the person stepped 4231. Everyone just seems to btich and whine about it and claim that a file is then bad because of it (clearly an exaggeration, but I'm trying to make a point). I don't understand why judges look for correct-ness in a file rather than how fun it is. Shouldn't that matter? I mean, how many new players (and I mean new, not switching from SM) are gonna see the difference, let alone care? Those new players are going to want to play a fun game; they could care less how "correct" it is. I don't think we ever should have invented crap like "PR" or anything like that. Because now that's all people think about when they step. There are very few files that are still being made/being accepted for the fun anymore. There are even less people out there who believe the fun factor is important anymore. To be honest, I think we have less stepartists now not because of the site crash, but because we've scared everyone into thinking that getting their file accepted is all but impossible. I think our judging system (and our way of thinking for stepping) should be completely overhauled and returned to the main idea of fun and entertainment.

/mad

[psychoangel691]

I've said the same thing Yo man

I mentioned OWA in that same post, saying I agree with OWA. I said you can either drop 4 12s to 11s or move one 11 to a 12. They are all borderline and around the same difficulty. The thing is, they are all borderline because they are the hardest FMO's/easiest FGO's, meaning IMO, Halcyon is the current hardest FMO. It's just, as I said, way too aggressive. The jumpstream is fast and dense and has really, really weird patterns and anchors and they never let up, and then they shove bursts at you that result in framers, and none of the patterns are straightforward, you actually have to figure them out.

Derp read it weird lol

[TC_Halogen]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

woo boy, after getting a taste of Halcyon by playing for the AAA, I've got to say, that file is WICKED hard for a FMO. I like it though, because it stands out as something that doesn't quite fit as a FGO in structure.

Top of the line FMO, me thinks.

SAMBISTA gave me a few problems because backward rolling + up/down arrow beginning = LOL nope. Very high VC.

The other files were fun too - I can't decide between Kayla's file and bmah's wiinter dream for the best flowing file; both were really clean.

Jumper was alright. Nothing wrong with it, but a bit out of my tastes due to the nature of the song (a bit too simple).

[stavie33]

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You know, there's something I don't understand:

Why is it people can't just play a file and say they like it or not? Why is it they have to scrutinize every last detail like, for example, let's say it was 1 3 2 4, but the person stepped 4231. Everyone just seems to btich and whine about it and claim that a file is then bad because of it (clearly an exaggeration, but I'm trying to make a point). I don't understand why judges look for correct-ness in a file rather than how fun it is. Shouldn't that matter? I mean, how many new players (and I mean new, not switching from SM) are gonna see the difference, let alone care? Those new players are going to want to play a fun game; they could care less how "correct" it is. I don't think we ever should have invented crap like "PR" or anything like that. Because now that's all people think about when they step. There are very few files that are still being made/being accepted for the fun anymore. There are even less people out there who believe the fun factor is important anymore. To be honest, I think we have less stepartists now not because of the site crash, but because we've scared everyone into thinking that getting their file accepted is all but impossible. I think our judging system (and our way of thinking for stepping) should be completely overhauled and returned to the main idea of fun and entertainment.

/mad

A fun file is the most desirable, but a fun file is almost always a good file. You can't have a bad file and have it be fun. An incorrect file can be fun, but not a bad file. A bad file implies it's un-enjoyable to play or not synced/stepped to something completely different, which would then juxtapose the music and have it be less enjoyable. Correctness is one thing, but if the judges find a file fun, it generally gets a positive review. I've never seen 'this file is a blast to play! But it's so horribly stepped we have to give it a -'.

[who_cares973]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

You know, there's something I don't understand:

Why is it people can't just play a file and say they like it or not? Why is it they have to scrutinize every last detail like, for example, let's say it was 1 3 2 4, but the person stepped 4231. Everyone just seems to btich and whine about it and claim that a file is then bad because of it (clearly an exaggeration, but I'm trying to make a point). I don't understand why judges look for correct-ness in a file rather than how fun it is. Shouldn't that matter? I mean, how many new players (and I mean new, not switching from SM) are gonna see the difference, let alone care? Those new players are going to want to play a fun game; they could care less how "correct" it is. I don't think we ever should have invented crap like "PR" or anything like that. Because now that's all people think about when they step. There are very few files that are still being made/being accepted for the fun anymore. There are even less people out there who believe the fun factor is important anymore. To be honest, I think we have less stepartists now not because of the site crash, but because we've scared everyone into thinking that getting their file accepted is all but impossible. I think our judging system (and our way of thinking for stepping) should be completely overhauled and returned to the main idea of fun and entertainment.

/mad

this is spoken by someone who is on the outside looking in. i dont even want to get into this argument again because its been recycled who knows how many times now and i really dont feel like repeating what ive said and what many others have said. but know this, you're wrong on so many levels

[stavie33]

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woo boy, after getting a taste of Halcyon by playing for the AAA, I've got to say, that file is WICKED hard for a FMO. I like it though, because it stands out as something that doesn't quite fit as a FGO in structure.

Top of the line FMO, me thinks.

SAMBISTA gave me a few problems because backward rolling + up/down arrow beginning = LOL nope. Very high VC.

The other files were fun too - I can't decide between Kayla's file and bmah's wiinter dream for the best flowing file; both were really clean.

Jumper was alright. Nothing wrong with it, but a bit out of my tastes due to the nature of the song (a bit too simple).

I'll agree with this and consider no further discussion. Hardest FMO most def, but not quite FGO style. I agree.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

A fun file is the most desirable, but a fun file is almost always a good file. You can't have a bad file and have it be fun. An incorrect file can be fun, but not a bad file. A bad file implies it's un-enjoyable to play or not synced/stepped to something completely different, which would then juxtapose the music and have it be less enjoyable. Correctness is one thing, but if the judges find a file fun, it generally gets a positive review. I've never seen 'this file is a blast to play! But it's so horribly stepped we have to give it a -'.

While yes, I don't think that's ever happened, I'm sure that files have rejected by more than a few points solely for incorrectness.

Take Dossar for example, he does a great job makin a really fun, difficult file without PR or overdoing it (see, Kidney Stone). Dossar is one of my favorite artists for that very reason.

EDIT:

this is spoken by someone who is on the outside looking in. i dont even want to get into this argument again because its been recycled who knows how many times now and i really dont feel like repeating what ive said and what many others have said. but know this, you're wrong on so many levels

I can imagine how wrong I am, but I'm a stepartist too (not experienced very much at all, but enough to get around), and I know just how intimidating the file is. I can also understand how much this argument has been regurgitated at you, and I can understand you not wanting to repeat yourself. I unfortunately was absent for these arguments, and I would really like to hear the other side of this.

[who_cares973]

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kidney stone is a shitty file

that statement is justified

[yo man im awesome]

Re: FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

kidney stone is a shitty file

that statement is justified

In what way, how 'incorrect' it is, or is there a lack of fun? Because fun is subjective yes, and while correct-ness isn't, fun should still overtake it in priority.

[who_cares973]

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i never said the file was incorrect i said it was shitty. the only way it would be incorrect would be if he placed ghost notes in the file which he didnt.

saying that fun should overtake priority is really really stupid because of the reason you said, fun is subjective and changes with every person. if i were to judge files based on fun i wouldve rejected more than 75% of the files that ive judged for ffr because i didnt find a majority of them fun. would you still say that fun should take over the correctness of a file? no. its the way its stepped that makes it shitty. the patterns he chose the bpm he chose and the transitions that are used. the file is pretty much stepped as hard as it can be without taking anything else into consideration. while i dont think this is entirely done on purpose because the caliber of the step artist determines what patterns are used its up to the step artist to take other players into consideration when stepping a file.