I don't want to live on this planet anymore

[Netjet!]

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at the end of the day, everyone is to blame for the mess we're in. tragedy of the commons.

“If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.”

Quote for freaking truth.

[Reincarnate]

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granted, fox news in particular is egregious and should almost never be taken seriously. getting your news from the tv is a surefire way to ensure you never really learn what's going on. yes, some cops out there are being douchebags (we went over this earlier). i agree with the sentiment of occupy wall street but not its details. our country is neck-deep in shit, but yelling at wall street isn't going to solve anything. it just won't. waste of time. they aren't the main problem.

most of these protestors are idiots. they're angry and just want someone to blame, but protesting this way is just embarrassing -- and it does nothing to solve the real issue. it just gives the media more fodder to launch at the uninformed viewer to turn things yet again in favor of the upper .5% come voting time. being right for the wrong reasons (or for incomplete reasons) is not enough.

btw that one video you posted in front of One Liberty Plaza? i was just there the other day. why don't you show the pictures/videos of the guys with the anti-Jewish conspiracy billboards, or the "Wall St hates Muslims" guys? it's complete bullshit. the guy in the video you linked WAS provoking the cops, contrary to what you said.

also lmfao@drama queen "under the scooter." seriously. this is the kind of shit i'm talking about.

i go to wall street daily. even if you're protesting, the cops aren't going to mess with you unless you're trying to make a scene and be a hero for five seconds of fame. it's like a moderator's worst nightmare -- dealing with countless trolls and then filmed every second and being called out on police brutality the moment something starts.

it gets to the point where the police are so on edge and can't trust anyone because at any moment one of those otherwise innocent-looking jackasses is going to pop out from the crowd and do something stupid.

yes, our system is hugely set up in favor of the upper .5%. so actually go do something about it instead of wasting time with this nonsense.

[Bluearrowll]

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In case anyone here had any doubts as to just how ignorant and hilarious these protestors are:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

Just to re-iterate the ignorance.

Some of the demands are just plain dumb - one of them talks about the entire world defaulting. -_-

[robertsona]

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yes we know the demands are dumb but a list of demands made by a single idiot wall st. protester isn't where the problems with the occupy wall st. movement lie

[qqwref]

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blame the anti-intellectual, anti-science, god-fearing, ignorant, average ****tard citizen who keeps voting incompetent lunatics into office

I read "vomiting" there, and the sentence made just as much sense.

In other news, Cracked posted something interesting about this: http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-types-...eir-own-cause/

[bmah]

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Ok I'll admit that although their demands are really stupid, their frustration is quite understandable. The issue is that such a large group of protesters cannot express their goals in a coherent way.

[Aldentron]

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i am speaking to you as an individual
what you seem to be incapable of registering, reincarnate, is that this occupation does not have grievances on one front. the grievances of this movement are extremely broad, ranging from education, oil, legislation, home-ownership, agriculture, ethics, war, etc. there is not a list long enough to state all the grievances of the 99% of the US population, so quit expecting one

on that note, i would like to point out that the increase in knowledge spread via the internet has allowed the general population to become more aware in a worldly sense. for comparison: a person now has the capability to read articles from any number of sources worldwide via rss feeds like google reader, as opposed to being limited to the local newspaper and maybe the new york times or wall street journal 10 or so years ago.

that said, this protest is by far the first one to gain the support of a large amount of conscious internet users. and in all honesty i dont feel like explaining the way things are decided because i feel like we are on complete different wavelengths. you seem to be urging me to vote, when all who even has a chance of winning is whoever has the highest-funded PAC. i cant afford to buy my own politicians, so now what the **** do you suggest i do with your 51% majority vote bullshit? why should the other 49% be dragged through shit for the next 4 years, or for incumbents, however long they maintain just the tiniest majority?
to solve this flaw in policy, there is a process that they do not teach in school. it is new and it takes time to learn, but the end, actions are not passed without 9/10 consensus. if you cant wrap your mind around this fact, which i assure you is true no matter how many "stupid" protesters you meet, then i have no hope for your comprehension of anything i have to say.
for instance, "would we like to allocate resources to such-and-such committee?" would be voted upon, and not passed unless there is 9/10 approval. "do we want to march at 6:00pm?" would be voted on and not passed unless there is 9/10 approval.

by now you should be asking what we do when something doesnt reach 9/10 consensus. if youre not, like i said, it is because you are on an entirely different wavelength. when 9/10 consensus is not reached, anyone who is opposed to the proposal gets a chance to speak via people's mic. hand signals are used to express how you feel about what is being said. this is what people's mic looks like

anywho, via people's mic, any one who opposes what is being said is given the chance to speak on people's mic for 2 minutes (thats our limit here, i'd imagine on wall street its even shorter.) the fact that messages take so long to relay allows you to actually think about what is being said, and knowing that you WILL NOT be given the chance to speak until that person is done speaking, your decisions will be much more thought-out. you can not interrupt peoples mic because you will just be drowned out.

as you can imagine, these meetings can be excruciatingly long. but in the end, those who dont mind dont matter.

like i said already, whoever the **** shows up to these protests. it would help if everybody were to say "i speak as an individual" like i stated at the beginning of my post before they go off babbling about why they're there. everybody has their own reasons, and as polarized as everyone is these days they'll either agree or disagree with THAT INDIVIDUAL. the sum is greater than its parts kinda thing.

and dude would you just listen to yourself? youre calling a guy who got run over and arrested for getting run over (the most innocent that cop gets is if it were a genuine accident, but then why the **** would they arrest the guy?) would you want to get hit by a god damn pig on a scooter and then dragged across the ground and arrested? you show no sympathy, and i am seriously disturbed by that. maybe all the $$$ turned you cold, bro

in my city when some people got arrested the cops felt bad for doing it. thats because texas pays officers and firefighters like shit. does it make you wonder who pays the nypd so much that they infringe on these people's first amendment rights?

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm

theres a good start. is it right of me to say that this is exactly a bad thing? no, i like the idea that a giant corporation would donate millions of dollars to a public service. i think more of that should happen. what im afraid of is, though, the fact that maybe these protesters are being intimidated by the police because the businesses are threatening to cut off millions upon millions of dollars to their force if they dont get them out of wall st.

i refuse to believe that all of these people were arrested and beaten because they were asking for it, because i've seen people get arrested for much less, e.g. a sit-in. every time i see these videos though, i see people being blindly assaulted. not one of the videos i've seen is how you depict them, so either the "attention-whore" ones you see are discarded while the truly shocking stay at the top, or you and i think on an entirely different wavelength. i think the latter.

you say it is so simple as a vote for the right person, but when only half the population decides who that person is, the other half gets ****ed. it is very simple.

[MrGiggles]

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In case anyone here had any doubts as to just how ignorant and hilarious these protestors are:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

I'm not even the first one to point this out, why is this proof of anything, it's one dude. Maybe he's not even unique, but every group this size has those few morons who clearly sustained severe brain damage. My God, demand 11 is gold

[supermousie]

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Thread tl;dr- a bunch of hippies protesting about money.

O.

[Choofers]

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occupy white noise st

[Reincarnate]

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MrGiggles: Yeah, but the sad truth is that it's not far off. The kind of logic you'll get out of many of these protestors is pretty much the same crap you'll get from Aldentron up there. If you get a chance, go see the protest for yourself. It's embarrassing. There are a lot of ignorant, dogmatic, bigoted people out there. That's not to say there aren't protestors who understand that the nation is a mess and the gov't/financial system had something to do with it, but many others take it to the fringe.

Aldentron: Yes, the grievances are broad. I never implied otherwise. It's still a disorganized mess.

Yes, knowledge is accessible via the internet, but that won't stop confirmation bias. You can find any news source out there that will support whatever bullshit view you want. You still need a basis of understanding and a knowledge of demonstrable evidence to intuit things for yourself and actually figure out where reality is best explained, and where people are just feeding you ignorance and fearmongering.

"maybe all the $$$ turned you cold, bro"

No, what turned me off are his obvious exaggerations and poor acting.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin..._man_run_o.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/occupy_wall_street/2011/10/14/2011-10-14_occupy_wall_street_protest_march_marred_by_video_appearing_to_show_nypd_scooter_.html

Besides, anyone with an understanding of weight physics would simply facepalm here. The guy was an obvious fraud just trying to start shit against the police and play the oppressed victim against the big bad police force.

Anyways, I'm not joking. Go look at the protest yourself. Literally go to NYC. The only people getting pegged by the police, in large part, are idiots trying to be antagonistic. You can deny this all you want, but I actually friggin' live here, so pardon me if I'm not going to take the word of some ignorant dude speculating from miles away using nothing but shaky videos that hardly show the entire story. Some of the cops are getting a bit pissy, yes, but it's only because the crowd is like a huge mass of trolls. None of them are trustworthy and many of them are trying to play martyr/hero. Lots of weirdos here.

"you say it is so simple as a vote for the right person, but when only half the population decides who that person is, the other half gets ****ed. it is very simple."

This is so ignorant of how our entire voting process works that I'm not sure if I should even waste the time.

[Reincarnate]

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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-18-2011/the-99-?xrs=share_fb

[Calcium Deposit]

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I was about to post something, but forgot what it was once I saw this:

[Aldentron]

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ok how about this, since i'm so ignorant of how our entire voting process works, here is a simple work sheet i want YOU (reincarnate) to fill out, since youll obviously get it all correct and hopefully open some ears up.

what is lobbying?
what is a synonym for lobbying? (hint it starts with b and ends with ribery)
what is a PAC?
what is a "connected PAC?"
what is a "super PAC?"
what is the limit for the amount of money a super PAC can raise?
do you think it is fair for entire corporations, to donate more money to a PAC than the average citizen makes in a whole presidential term (4 years?) why or why not?
how are laws passed?
what is the main reason why laws DON'T pass?
what is a democracy? (yes i realize that the USA is not a democracy. that is the point)
how have you answered all these questions accurately without feeling completely ****ing disgusted with the way this country works?

[robertsona]

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