I don't want to live on this planet anymore

[fido123]

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Sorry, since this is 5 pages long I don't really take my time to read every post properly.

[Calcium Deposit]

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Sheeple are way too easily swayed by what they see on TV.
Remember that time everyone was afraid of SARS?
As it turns out, that disease has a less than 1% mortality rate for healthy individuals.
Police "brutality" is just this month's flavor of the month.
Oh and that applejuice scare was ****ing fantastic too.
Goddamn I hate the media

[virus003]

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Wow, this is ridiculous, but there's a few misunderstandings, possibly..?


I've read through the website, and it says that they're using the Arab Spring tactic, which is a very good way to do things without major violence, but there's these dumbasses with big ****in mouths that think they're entitled to their own shit like crazy, when really they're just becoming hot headed dicks who are becoming a threat to everyone around them, they need to learn self control before a peaceful protest that doesn't involve violence, that could have been a reasoning for a few arrests, but I doubt it was for OVER 500 of them. These officers probably felt threatened because of how many people were overwhelming them even though they weren't doing anything, just go in their situation, you'd probably shit your pants, they might have just overreacted when there shouldn't be any real danger in a protest like this. Funny though, because this police department is supposedly one of the best in the nation, maybe they're one of the best because of their clearly obvious brutal force. I think they're just abusing power, but that's just me.

Oh yeah and Reincarnate, just wondering, you republican or democrat?

[Phynx]

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Disclosure: HUGE wall of text that I highly recommend reading. It's filled with some very strong emotional statements about 2 very large situations covered by this video. Just know, these are my personal feelings and opinions. I told them how I seen them.

About the cops.

I can, based on my biased opinion, assume that people are merely overreacting. Mind you, I'm not here to incite rage or discontent in people, I just want to share what I feel I'm interpreting from this whole scenario.

I watched the video thoroughly with the assumption that the protestors did nothing wrong. By my point of view, they didn't unless they were passively disturbing the peace, blocking traffic, or preventing businesses from operating. But I have to agree with a previous poster, at the end of the day, cops are people too. Mind you this comes with a lot of stipulations when you say a cop is human. It may seem brutal for the cops to have done what they did BUT, again as someone I'm sure already pointed out, had they not shown "some" force, things could have gotten out of hand. In large social situations like these, you can't expect everyone to have their head straight on their shoulders when they are protesting with others. If these people go unchecked, they could turn things violent. By the cops doing what they did, it COULD BE that very thing that prevented a large violent reaction due to the fear of arrest and prosecution because the cops were obviously serious about keeping order.

Another thing I want to point out, I do enjoy seeing the media chipping away at our government in any way they can. I enjoy it because it slowly brings more light to the majority about the governments' corruption, which there is, as much as some of you will want to deny it. But I want to say, this video in NOT how I want to see the media chip at the government. The collective police force of this nation is rather miraculous. Men and women serving the public with real intentions on safety, order, peace, and preserving liberty. This video and Lawrences analysis highlights the rather small, darker side of the police force. Videos like these make people think, for the most part, that all police forces are bad and corrupt. This is a blatant lie. Hell just where I live, the police are amazing. I know most of them in this town personally and I have never seen cops treat citizens so fair. They are polite, kind hearted, and what I love most is during large social events in our town, the cops really keep things safe and are really friendly about their business. Only time they show brute force is when someone goes haywire and turns a situation violent.

So this video is good for all the wrong reasons.

Back to my original statement. People are overreacting to this. Lawrence is overreacting, looking at the comments of youtubers, the majority are overreacting(which plays into people thinking all law enforcements are bad), and even some of you guys are overreacting. I don't defend these cops as I wasn't part of the event, nor do I condone their actions. There WERE better ways of handling the situation but how they handled the situation wasn't necessarily "bad" persay.


As for the protest and protestors.

I want to go on the record to say, I don't know the entire reasoning behind this protest, all I know is that it's against the corruption currently in our government.

I want to shred some feelings on the current situation on our government so take this all with a grain of salt, these are my personal experiences.

First off, living in America really is easy. There's not one part of this country that is hard to live in. If you want a good life, there's really only one solid, tried-and-true, proven, set-in-stone way of attaining a good life in America. WORK. All a man or woman has to do to survive and even provide themselves and their families a GOOD life is to work. I want to make this clear using myself as an example. People are always on the record moaning and crying about forclosures, about losing jobs, about all the things that went wrong that caused them to lose "everything." What isn't stated is what the people themselves did TO themselves that caused it. The majority of foreclosures in this nation were due to people ignorantly choosing adjustable rate mortgages. Do your research people, this is fact. What an adjustable rate mortgage means is that your mortgage interest rate can fluctuate with current local and national economies. The problem with these types of mortgages are that, back in 20xx people could sign for a house at x.x% with an adjustable rate. Back in the early 2000's these rates were low, and currently are low again. But when the big housing crisis hit, these rates evacuated all of their security and blew through the roof to try and re-establish financial security. People were seeing over 30% interest rates in some places. This is insane. That would make my personal mortgage payment a month over $500 more. Yeah, that would make me foreclose too.

What people SHOULD have done is studied their mortgage options more before signing on a house. A large portion of homeowners survived the housing crash simply due to two facts. 1. They worked. 2. They got a locked-in mortgage rate that can NEVER change under law. These people never seen their mortgage payments fluctuate at all. So for those that had a set mortgage rate but still lost their house, well, my personal guess is that they weren't working or had recently bought the house for more money than they could afford.

I'm 21, own my own house, own my own vehicles, provide for myself completely and cover all of my expenses under my own power and at the end of the day, I still have money left over for fun.

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THIS IS HOW EASY IT IS TO LIVE IN AMERICA! It's not hard. No matter where you live. As long as you have a steady job, and it doesn't even have to pay you that much, as long as you don't jump into something you can't afford and don't over-extend your expenses each month, living in America truly is easy as hell. The government with all their spending still hasn't made America a hard place to live. So correct me if I'm wrong about something here.

(oh and for anyone who might think "well you make a lot of money so you can afford these things" no, I really don't. I make on average only $2,300 a month before taxes. Just that little amount allows me to live rather lavishly so stop complaining.)

Moral of the Story: Police collectively are awesome. I love them and their sacrifice to provide me with safety and security. Also, America rules. I can say that with a strong foundation of personal experience. Living here is amazing and easy. Just don't be lazy and work and you'll be just fine.

Holy christ that was a lot to type.

[~kitty~]

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Phynx, my parents are poor and they live in America and they do work. We barely have anything, and it's not easy to live here for us. The reason is mostly because of them being foreign, both from another country unable to get a proper education here, though they had one in the country they were from. Apparently their educations were non-transferable. however, the main reason why it's become so difficult is because my parents are religious and they donate 10% of their $30,000 income to the church and spend lots of other money to other things to the church (this isn't spent with the 10%), and their whole idea about this thing is that the church comes before the family. So, personally I feel like it's been difficult living in America because of this situation. Of course, when I'm on my own it probably wont be as difficult, but I feel like I reserve the right to complain at least a little bit.

[Phynx]

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Phynx, my parents are poor and they live in America and they do work. We barely have anything, and it's not easy to live here for us. The reason is mostly because of them being foreign, both from another country unable to get a proper education here, though they had one in the country they were from. Apparently their educations were non-transferable. however, the main reason why it's become so difficult is because my parents are religious and they donate 10% of their $30,000 income to the church and spend lots of other money to other things to the church (this isn't spent with the 10%), and their whole idea about this thing is that the church comes before the family. So, personally I feel like it's been difficult living in America because of this situation. Of course, when I'm on my own it probably wont be as difficult, but I feel like I reserve the right to complain at least a little bit.

You only proved my point. It's easy to live in America, even to prosper. You're parents are abusing their financial situation by dedicating their incomes to religion in a far greater amount than necessary. If they would slow down with their religious indulgences and saved some for themselves, they would be far better off. Also, education has lost its "appeal" when it comes to finding good jobs. If you're a hard worker, you'll find a good job regardless of your education. There are always better jobs out there for everyone.

[korny]

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Disregard religion, acquire currency? My parents are mormon, they are advised by scripture to give 10% of everything they make in tithing. It's certainly easier to prosper in america more so than most countries worldwide, but you can't just say they're abusing their financial situation when they have an obligation to abide by a standard set forth for them by their religion when the whole purpose of doing so is to show god that you're willing to give 10% of everything you have to him, when he's given you life and everything else resulting in some sort of spiritual and possibly financial blessing(s). That is the sentiment most tithe payers hold. So what you think is "necessary" is an opinion you've formed while overlooking the fact that this is how millions of americans live everyday and that they have very real reasons to their being for doing so.

[Phynx]

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Disregard religion, acquire currency? My parents are mormon, they are advised by scripture to give 10% of everything they make in tithing. It's certainly easier to prosper in america more so than most countries worldwide, but you can't just say they're abusing their financial situation when they have an obligation to abide by a standard set forth for them by their religion when the whole purpose of doing so is to show god that you're willing to give 10% of everything you have to him, when he's given you life and everything else resulting in some sort of spiritual and possibly financial blessing(s). That is the sentiment most tithe payers hold. So what you think is "necessary" is an opinion you've formed while overlooking the fact that this is how millions of americans live everyday and that they have very real reasons to their being for doing so.

I based my response on the fact that, according to kitty, they ARE abusing their personal financial situation. According to kitty, they're are not only giving 10%, which is fine, but as well even more large sums to the church. They are over-extending their obligation to the church so much so, it appears, that they are forcing themselves and their family into poverty or close to. THIS is why I say they are abusing their financial situation. Give to your religious cause, but don't give so much that your own family struggles to survive.

[Calcium Deposit]

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If you are forced to give large amounts of money to your "religion" (drugs), it would probably be hard to live anywhere.

[Reincarnate]

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Oh yeah and Reincarnate, just wondering, you republican or democrat?

I don't associate myself fully with either party. But generally speaking, I'd consider myself more on the liberal side, if only because the right wing is so insane and ignorant.

[Calcium Deposit]

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Associating yourself with a party means you're eventually going to be taking up causes and expressing opinions that aren't yours or don't represent your interests.

[PaperclipGames]

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@Phynx: I havent been completely up-to-date of this thread but from what I am reading, I semi-agree with your post, aside from this:

If you're a hard worker, you'll find a good job regardless of your education. There are always better jobs out there for everyone.

It sounds overly optimistic. It is apparently extremely difficult by now to even find a good job in the first place, let alone if you are a foreigner (sad but true).

[korny]

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I based my response on the fact that, according to kitty, they ARE abusing their personal financial situation. According to kitty, they're are not only giving 10%, which is fine, but as well even more large sums to the church. They are over-extending their obligation to the church so much so, it appears, that they are forcing themselves and their family into poverty or close to. THIS is why I say they are abusing their financial situation. Give to your religious cause, but don't give so much that your own family struggles to survive.

My parents did and still do the exact same thing. When I was younger my family was very very poor. We lived in the ghetto. Now my dad makes guapola. I'm not necessarily attributing him now being very well off to having "received god's blessing" through him paying tithe and other donations, but there are people who like kitty's parents, believe that they too will receive similar blessings through their religious diligence, and i'm almost positive that is why they continue to go about it the way they do. If kitty is literally starving every day and suffering from her situation then that would be different, but from what I can tell all the basic needs of survival are being met here and she will be fine until she is able to go on her own to do things her way.

[A2P]

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my town ^_^

[Reincarnate]

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First off, living in America really is easy. There's not one part of this country that is hard to live in. If you want a good life, there's really only one solid, tried-and-true, proven, set-in-stone way of attaining a good life in America. WORK[SIZE=4][SIZE=2]. All a man or woman has to do to survive and even provide themselves and their families a GOOD life is to work.

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What people SHOULD have done is studied their mortgage options more before signing on a house. A large portion of homeowners survived the housing crash simply due to two facts. 1. They worked. 2. They got a locked-in mortgage rate that can NEVER change under law. These people never seen their mortgage payments fluctuate at all. So for those that had a set mortgage rate but still lost their house, well, my personal guess is that they weren't working or had recently bought the house for more money than they could afford.

I'm 21, own my own house, own my own vehicles, provide for myself completely and cover all of my expenses under my own power and at the end of the day, I still have money left over for fun.

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THIS IS HOW EASY IT IS TO LIVE IN AMERICA! It's not hard. No matter where you live. As long as you have a steady job, and it doesn't even have to pay you that much, as long as you don't jump into something you can't afford and don't over-extend your expenses each month, living in America truly is easy as hell. The government with all their spending still hasn't made America a hard place to live. So correct me if I'm wrong about something here.

(oh and for anyone who might think "well you make a lot of money so you can afford these things" no, I really don't. I make on average only $2,300 a month before taxes. Just that little amount allows me to live rather lavishly so stop complaining.)

I will say, though, that this is an unimpeachably sheltered view.

It's not all about "work." That's only part of the equation. A lot of your ability to succeed depends entirely on conditions that you have no control over: Where you were born, your genetics, your family type, your access to education, your opportunities, your wealth, your access to resources, your social upbringing, and managing to make it long enough without experiencing any severe financial setbacks, etc. It's really hard to get ahead if you start out with a shittier hand. Advantages beget advantages, whereas obstacles typically beget obstacles and delay your ability to catch up.

The problem behind the crisis was also not adjustable-rate mortgages, strictly speaking. It was a combination of things -- ARM's just made a bad situation worse for many people. What really set the shit through the fan was the subprime lending coupled with the decline in house prices.