11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

[robertsona]

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Look....Here's Chart I Made...I Drew a Dotted Line In Ms Paint w/ A Shaky Hand. Religion Is Evil

[Mans0n]

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so original

[Nyokou]

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Y axis is scientific advancement are u blind

this thred is so gaaaaaaay

[Mans0n]

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watch out people its the wambulaaaaaaancee

[robertsona]

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Y axis is scientific advancement are u blind

thanks resident retard nyokou

what does "scientific advancement" even mean in the context of this graph

what are the units by which it is measured

how did this person measure this shit

and why does it look so shitty and obviously thrown together in two seconds

i have no problem with a graph like that which actually backs its shit up, but i've seen that graph so many times that it makes me want to become a hardcore christian so i don't have to be on the same side as the moron who made that chart

[~kitty~]

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thanks resident retard nyokou

what does "scientific advancement" even mean in the context of this graph

what are the units by which it is measured

how did this person measure this shit

and why does it look so shitty and obviously thrown together in two seconds

i have no problem with a graph like that which actually backs its shit up, but i've seen that graph so many times that it makes me want to become a hardcore christian so i don't have to be on the same side as the moron who made that chart

The chart isn't being measured by anything. It's reflecting the tolerance of advancement. You really can't measure scientific advancement, really. That's kind of why I think it's really biased. It only focuses on the restrictions on advancement during the times when the churches had owned most of the land and power. It's correct to an extent, though the scale could be wrong.

[OneHandNow]

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thanks resident retard nyokou

what does "scientific advancement" even mean in the context of this graph

what are the units by which it is measured

how did this person measure this shit

and why does it look so shitty and obviously thrown together in two seconds

i have no problem with a graph like that which actually backs its shit up, but i've seen that graph so many times that it makes me want to become a hardcore christian so i don't have to be on the same side as the moron who made that chart

You take things too seriously don't you?

The graph isn't meant to show in exact metrics how much religion influenced the progression of science and society in general, but it shows (in generality) how religion created 'Dark Ages' of science.. if you saw videos that Marcus posted, you would understand what I mean.

There's no way to measure human progress or scientific progress - no doubt about that. However, the graph is simply telling us (in layman's terms, or graph) that there was a period of stagnation and darkness in the progress of science and humanity in the age of XXXX - XXXX.

[Reincarnate]

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From the author of the rant where that graph was introduced:

"Note about the graph: No doubt some will argue about the starting and ending dates of the various periods and yes, the Eqyptian, Greek and Roman periods overlap, but the intent of the graph aims to show an approximate relationship through time. The scale of scientific advancements show no numbers because we have no numbers to go by. The graph shows a relative scale of scientific advancement compared to other periods. Historians, for example, would agree that the Romans in the first few centuries CE had more knowlege about nature (science) than the Greeks of 400 BCE, and that the Age of Enlightenment built on the scientifc discoveries made during the Renaissance. Feel free to adjust the scale to your liking, but regarless of how you adjust the graph, it will do little to change the fact that scientific knowlenge (or the loss of it) fell dramatically during the Christian Dark Ages."

Besides there are a variety of ways you can measure scientific advancement (there are multiple metrics) -- and no matter which one you choose, you're going to see a similar progression.

Again, consider the video I posted earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w

[Reincarnate]

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OHN: Actually you can measure technological advancement with quite a few economic calculations. The idea is to get a feel for labor efficiency, cost reductions, output differentials, production possibilities, the marginal product ratios between capital and labor, etc. GDP would also be a good rough estimate of how active your economy is, where you can correlate between economic activity and the increase of scientific and technological efficiency (as it includes consumption, investment, government spending, and net exports). With scientific advancement we see improvements in almost every field you care to name, and so there's lots to measure.



In other words, quibbling over the lack of units on that chart earlier is just completely missing the point. Yeah, it's not a great chart due to its ambiguity, but that doesn't make its message false or somehow less valid.

[Mans0n]

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nobody cares rofl

[cixOclock]

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Do you people not sleep or something? I went to bed like 8 hours ago, because you people were boring me and all I see in responses, and intellectual speaking is this:

"My mom and dad made me do it, therefore I hate it..."
"My mom and dad were brainwashing me, I hate it..."
"A priest decided it was okay to have sex with children, I hate it."

So instead of trying to find the true part in it, the good part, you're basicaly labeling everything with the exact same header and name.

'Pedophile's; Greed; Ignorance.'

When in general aetheism spreads the exact same marble-jarble.
You people, and yes I will refer to you as a hive-mind, only look for anything that can be turned into a fallacy of the Bible, when you never attempt to find the fallacies in what scientists throw at you as truth, you (collective hive-mind) believe just about anything that is said until someone who is smarter says that it is wrong and then a new hypothesis is deemed correct...

I know that science is a good force, it is for the benefit of humanity.

But don't be stupid and say that aetheism does not spread ignorance, (i.e. all religions are bad and need to be destroyed.)

[Reincarnate]

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no.

[Mans0n]

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what is sleep? 0.o

[cry4eternity]

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Yes, frequently church groups will have fundraisers and similar activities for the good of a community or such. However, a religious person has no extra capability for doing good than a nonreligious person. Anything you can do I can do, too. What I won't do is kill myself for a religious cause or attempt to influence politics and education for my religious beliefs.

The main problem going across right now seems to be that the "good" brought forth by Christianity hasn't been addressed. Yes, there is some "good" that has come from Christianity as well as other religions. I think the reason it hasn't been brought up is that it is largely irrelevant. To me, it's similar to saying "Oh come on, the KKK has group barbecues and instills family values in its children. It can't be all bad." I realize the KKK is a bit harsh of a comparison to the flavor of Christianity likely being encouraged here, but the point remains the same. The suffering and conflict caused by religion is unnecessary. Religion is not necessary for a person to do "good". It is not necessary to explain the universe. It is not necessary to maintain a happy, motivated lifestyle.

Not only is religion completely unnecessary, but also unsupported. One point that was brought up goes something along the lines of, "We can't explain everything, so you can't rule out the possibility." While this statement is true, it doesn't show what it intends to show. You might not know exactly how an LED Television works, but you are pretty sure that it doesn't involve leprechauns waving lanterns across the inside powered by eating Lucky Charms. However, perhaps you actually can't rule this out for yourself. Let's test it scientifically and prove that TV Leprechauns don't exist. It is at this point you decide to break one open and look, and much to your surprise there are no leprechauns. But wait, there are millions of LED Televisions; surely you can't rule out the possibility that one of them could be powered by cereal munching leprechauns. So, you decide to hunt down every LED Television ever made and check the insides and once again you find no leprechauns. But wait, the leprechauns only show themselves if you believe in them first.

Without going any further into this, this is what is meant by "moving the goalposts." This example also gives a small demonstration of the impossibility of proving nonexistence. The time to believe something is when it has been demonstrated to be true, and not a moment sooner.

I'd also like to point out the argument from authority made above me. Just because somebody is smart doesn't mean that their beliefs are correct. Einstein himself rejected the uncertainty of quantum mechanics, which is now accepted as fact in the scientific community. The only reason it seems to be that smart people are correct is because smarter people take the time to research, weigh all options, and most importantly support their beliefs with evidence.

[Reincarnate]

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A note on smart people like Newton invoking God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV1r4fxaZsE&t=5m34s

watch from 5:34 to end