Starcraft 2 Tourney

[Reach]

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Well, if this competition ever happens, lol.

Masters in 3v3 thanks to some help from those here Currently undefeated in 3v3! Lol. Though, still need 4v4 and 2v2 teams. Should be able to diamond random 2v2 when leagues unlock but vs AT @ masters level will be too hard, and 4v4 basically requires AT above plat, since ZZXX is super popular and there's just cheese everywhere.

[OneHandNow]

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Well, if this competition ever happens, lol.

Masters in 3v3 thanks to some help from those here Currently undefeated in 3v3! Lol. Though, still need 4v4 and 2v2 teams. Should be able to diamond random 2v2 when leagues unlock but vs AT @ masters level will be too hard, and 4v4 basically requires AT above plat, since ZZXX is super popular and there's just cheese everywhere.

Very nice job! 4v4 should be done with other Diamond+ players with a set strat.. (ZZTT, ZZPT, etc)

2v2, just do 5gate + speedlings - all my friends hit masters using that.. but then if your opponents are real good opponents (sick scouting, sick defense, sick macro), then it'll get hard.. :P

[Skelogon]

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Another good strategy for 3v3 or 4v4, just feed the protoss and mass stalkers.

[OneHandNow]

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Another good strategy for 3v3 or 4v4, just feed the protoss and mass stalkers.

Does that really work? Won't you get wiped out 1 by 1?

[cixOclock]

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Quick trivia for you guys...

How many actions per minute can the Pro gamer in Korea make while playing Starcraft?

And see if you could even last ten minutes...

[Skelogon]

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Does that really work? Won't you get wiped out 1 by 1?

No, that strategy never fail for me, the other team members just need to play defensively. Even if one or two of your allies died, it would give enough time for the the person getting feed to get all tech up and an army larger than the opponents. Whenever I use that strategy, I always have a base somewhere constantly feeding the toss, even if my main was destroyed.

If done correctly, the toss would be able to warp in 16+ stalkers every few minutes, at least 10 in the first 5 minute of the game.

[OneHandNow]

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Quick trivia for you guys...

How many actions per minute can the Pro gamer in Korea make while playing Starcraft?

And see if you could even last ten minutes...

Well there's a problem.

Starcraft I (BW) requires extensive APM because of the unit limit (12) and building limit (1).. Starcraft II (WOL) requires less because of the ability to select multiple productions facilities and units and once, requiring less hotkeys to be used. Also, Starcraft II is more macro-based, and thus micro (which contributes also to APM) is cancelled out.

Having said that, I don't think anybody plays Starcraft II with 300+ APM, at least not consistently in all the matches, all the time.

Korean pros however, probably will.

[Skelogon]

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Quick trivia for you guys...

How many actions per minute can the Pro gamer in Korea make while playing Starcraft?

And see if you could even last ten minutes...

For starcraft 1 - at least 300; for starcraft 2 - 200
imo

[Hakulyte]

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I'm sort of back to FFR since I got Master League everywhere.. people are just starting to talk about my marine/scv rush on forums in 1v1 lmao, except that they somehow got a faster one but easier to scout too by walling at bottom of ramp with 1 rax and 1 supply and directly getting the 2 other rax + supply drop with orbital and push..

x2 10 pool + 3 rax or/and fast stalkers is usually gg in most 3v3/4v4. (constant aggression with zerglings)
10 pool + 3 rax seems to work well enough in 2v2 to get master on placement..
Marine/scv still work to get 1v1 master..

So, yeah easy cheesing to master.. once you guys are there, play some real masters check their replays copy epic macro build, adapt it. /gg
Still got team wins to get but whatever, not in an hurry.. /don't care anymore lol

I'd like to "learn 2 play" 1v1 macro games without having an impact on fun factor in sc2, but it's not easy.. when your whole game is a timing war and everything feels forced, I'm not sure what to think..

btw are we going to have a tournament here some day or it's just your "let's talk about sc2" thread? xD

[Wineandbread]

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Well since this thread has more or less been changed into a general SC/SC2 discussion thread

Anyone frequent TL?

I just recently finished up the Savior Final Edit spotlight, it was a damn good read; I knew Savior was really good in his prime but it really made me appreciate him as a player on a whole new level. Sucks for the whole match-fixing scandal tho ):

[OneHandNow]

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I'm sort of back to FFR since I got Master League everywhere.. people are just starting to talk about my marine/scv rush on forums in 1v1 lmao, except that they somehow got a faster one but easier to scout too by walling at bottom of ramp with 1 rax and 1 supply and directly getting the 2 other rax + supply drop with orbital and push..

x2 10 pool + 3 rax or/and fast stalkers is usually gg in most 3v3/4v4. (constant aggression with zerglings)
10 pool + 3 rax seems to work well enough in 2v2 to get master on placement..
Marine/scv still work to get 1v1 master..

So, yeah easy cheesing to master.. once you guys are there, play some real masters check their replays copy epic macro build, adapt it. /gg
Still got team wins to get but whatever, not in an hurry.. /don't care anymore lol

I'd like to "learn 2 play" 1v1 macro games without having an impact on fun factor in sc2, but it's not easy.. when your whole game is a timing war and everything feels forced, I'm not sure what to think..

btw are we going to have a tournament here some day or it's just your "let's talk about sc2" thread? xD

Pushing when? What food count? I'm only Master 3v3/4v4 atm.. 1v1 I'm stuck in gold -_-. 2v2, diamond. Halp.

[Hakulyte]

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Pushing when? What food count? I'm only Master 3v3/4v4 atm.. 1v1 I'm stuck in gold -_-. 2v2, diamond. Halp.

1v1, take terran.

10 supply bottom of your ramp and send scv to scout
11 rax finish wall (make a 2 supply wall if ramp is too big @ Scrap Station or something and keep energy on orbital for mules in case fight is a tie so you can come back and win with a 2nd push but you don't need to bother with that if you map vote block Scrap Station, Typhon Peak and that other map I forgot..)
12 rax
12 rax
13 orbital (12 scv +1 marine)
14-27 = spam marine

There's no 2nd supply because you use supply drop from orbital and send everything around 4:15. Obviously, you go clear Xel'Naga Towers before you do this so they don't spot you too fast. Repeat until master league. /gg

I believe league are locked right now and they're proceeding to modification with how the ladder works but there's nothing mentioned on the site as usual. Anyway, if you can promote or demote league are no longer worked and you can ignore this. It's just in case you're rank 1 and don't promote.

2v2

1 Terran
1 Zerg

Terran do my 1v1 build
Zerg

10 Pool
10 Overlord (send overlord close to enemy base high ground to have vision so marines can shoot/snipe a building etc.)
10 Extractor
13 Zergling (6 lings directly for aggression)
15 Queen
16 Zergling
17 Overlord
etc.
Send drones to gas x3 (send back to mineral at 100 gas) when pool is done.
Get Speed upgrade
Spam Zerglings nonstop and micro them to harass.
Once the Terran got his mini marine ball regroup with him and go kill 1 player, always stay with marines at this point to maximize dps per area.
2v1 the other guy and it's usually gg.

I suggest doing this in team placement with some new people and try to 5-0 wins placement match so you get instantly master league if that's your goal.

[CrashJet555]

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I would like to play, North American Platinum player, don't play regularly.

[Reach]

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Pushing when? What food count? I'm only Master 3v3/4v4 atm.. 1v1 I'm stuck in gold -_-. 2v2, diamond. Halp.

If you're in gold for 1v1 and aren't interested in cheese, you should play a more econ focused game. I can beat the vast vast majority of players that don't cheese me or catch me off guard with a timing by just mining more minerals than them and making more production facilities (and of course, making sure I spend all of my minerals and gas).

The fact of the matter is, most low level players I play and roll simply do not expand fast enough and do not make enough workers. They're particularly too slow to take a third and if they expand tend to sit on 2 base for way too long.

Go for meaty compositions that are hard to counter if you're toss/terran, i.e. colossi+stalker+sentry (adding zealots can help, depends on opps unit comp), or marine/marauder/medi/tank/viking. These comps do not have hard counters and if you are outproducing your opponent you can break them down.

If you're zerg you have to be a bit more flexible, sadly. I don't think zerg is UP at all, but is a bit harder to play because their unit compositions are more fragile and they're vulnerable early on.

[OneHandNow]

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If you're in gold for 1v1 and aren't interested in cheese, you should play a more econ focused game. I can beat the vast vast majority of players that don't cheese me or catch me off guard with a timing by just mining more minerals than them and making more production facilities (and of course, making sure I spend all of my minerals and gas).

The fact of the matter is, most low level players I play and roll simply do not expand fast enough and do not make enough workers. They're particularly too slow to take a third and if they expand tend to sit on 2 base for way too long.

Go for meaty compositions that are hard to counter if you're toss/terran, i.e. colossi+stalker+sentry (adding zealots can help, depends on opps unit comp), or marine/marauder/medi/tank/viking. These comps do not have hard counters and if you are outproducing your opponent you can break them down.

If you're zerg you have to be a bit more flexible, sadly. I don't think zerg is UP at all, but is a bit harder to play because their unit compositions are more fragile and they're vulnerable early on.

See that's the problem! I can't react & adapt fast enough.. I guess that comes with time and training.

For example, I play T&Z, half half. When I'm Z, I usually get steamrolled by 4gate or some weird 3rax push (5:30~7min) because I tend to play with FE instead of early roach pressure, etc.. and then I mismanage my units (lings, queen, huh?!) and get raped.

As T, I almost always end up taking the game to mid-game (so.. 15~20 minutes) and end up losing because of constant harasses and / or my mismanagement of units and economy.

And I don't want to cheese in 1v1 x(