FFR poker league -dead-

[Without A Contraceptive]

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somebody come play play money heads up

[Reach]

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I'm sitting if you want to play, contraceptive.

First tourney tonight. Blind structure is pretty brutal. Was way up for awhile, ran mostly 72 and other garbage for awhile until I had no choice but to make a standard shove. Didn't work out. *tear*

edit: Nobody joined the 10:30 tourney.

Played HU against ksl, since he was the only person in it. My specialty. Sadly, the results don't count

[nois-or-e]

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Tourns up for tonight. Standard hold'em and a HORSE game.

Reach, blinds have been relaxed as the turn-out for game #2 always dwindles.

[DotKritic]

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10 J Q K A Clubs

[Reach]

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Tourns up for tonight. Standard hold'em and a HORSE game.

Reach, blinds have been relaxed as the turn-out for game #2 always dwindles.

Yeah, I noticed, since it was heads up in the second game :P

The structure was alright for HU play. I think we were 20 minutes in and the blinds were 30/60, which still left us pretty deep with lots of chips to work with.

In a ring game, I mean, it's fine since it's just for fun, but it would have to be changed if there were ever cash games. As it is it mostly just comes down to running well in the second half of the game.

Would there be a way to cap the blinds based on field size or is that not possible? Especially since there's antes; there's plenty of incentive to get involved in pots, so it's really unnecessary to have the blinds go absurdly high, unless you have two turds sitting around and letting the blinds pass back and forth between them.

Either that or give more time in the higher blind levels, and less time in the lower blind levels. Stack sizes aren't moving much early on, so we might as well move through them quickly, but in the higher levels you should have a bit more time given the stack flux due to blind levels.

I have a feeling you can't adjust either of those variables though XD

[lumphoboextreme]

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about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

[Reach]

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about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

When I first read this I thought you were playing online and was going to ask if you had lost your mind :P There are some idiots at that stakes, but it's mostly shark water, with a lot of really good short stackers.

2/4 is pretty soft live though, so hopefully you ran well; lots of money to be made if you do. How did the session go?

[Without A Contraceptive]

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ya 2/4 and 2/5 live at home games (only played in a cruise ship casino) are super soft. if you run good you can Kill it

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

[Without A Contraceptive]

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come play ddrmaniac

[Reach]

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The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

Tourneys with fields that large are almost 0 skill dude. It doesn't matter what you're shoving with; even when you're way ahead, you're going to have to activate god mode to make it to those paid positions.

You're going to have to get it all in a ton to win this tourney, and even if you're shoving the nuts every time, you're almost never more than an 80% favorite to win. Let's say you only get it all in pre or on the flop while covered 10 times in the whole tourney, and every time you have them dominated (80%). The probability of you remaining by the end is only 11%. In reality, you're going to have to dodge way more bullets than that too (By 20 dominated all-ins, you're down to only 1% chance of still being there).


It's pretty pointless. Just deposit a few dollars from your bank account and stop wasting your time.



With regards to earlier: there was a 3 man pot. gazeebo went all in I think, you called and I re-raised you. You call. Or something like that. There was over 300 in the pot by the flop.

My 3 bet range here is pretty small and consists of only massive hands. Since gazeebo was already all in, there's almost no value at all to re-raising you unless I have a huge hand. Most strong hands here get a call, not a raise.

You should be folding most of your range here to my raise, because you're almost never ahead of my raising range.


As such, when the flop comes off like, 4A8 or whatever the flop was, you should never bet an 8. It's a profound mistake and you'll lose a ton of money taking this line. Again, since gazeebo is all in, you can only win my money. Pushing me out of the pot here won't win you any more money.

Of course, it'll effectively mean I'm not in the pot, but that's irrelevant. An 8 is probably not ahead of gazeebos range either, meaning you're still going to lose the pot most of the time.

Think about what hands I'm re-raising you with pre-flop here and how many of them have an ace in them. Most of them do. As such, I'm almost never folding when you make that bet, so you're left to completely hang yourself on the rest of the streets and or have no showdown value.


verdict: with gazeebo already all in on that flop with an 8, check back. I'm probably going to check down, even if I have you crushed. If you really truly believe your 8 is good, than you should also be checking down.

In reality you should fold pre in that spot though.

[awein999]

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The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

The daily 90k ticket is worth more than $5.50. If you don't want to use it you can sell it for close to its value.

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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With regards to earlier: there was a 3 man pot. gazeebo went all in I think, you called and I re-raised you. You call. Or something like that. There was over 300 in the pot by the flop.

My 3 bet range here is pretty small and consists of only massive hands. Since gazeebo was already all in, there's almost no value at all to re-raising you unless I have a huge hand. Most strong hands here get a call, not a raise.

You should be folding most of your range here to my raise, because you're almost never ahead of my raising range.


As such, when the flop comes off like, 4A8 or whatever the flop was, you should never bet an 8. It's a profound mistake and you'll lose a ton of money taking this line. Again, since gazeebo is all in, you can only win my money. Pushing me out of the pot here won't win you any more money.

Of course, it'll effectively mean I'm not in the pot, but that's irrelevant. An 8 is probably not ahead of gazeebos range either, meaning you're still going to lose the pot most of the time.

Think about what hands I'm re-raising you with pre-flop here and how many of them have an ace in them. Most of them do. As such, I'm almost never folding when you make that bet, so you're left to completely hang yourself on the rest of the streets and or have no showdown value.


verdict: with gazeebo already all in on that flop with an 8, check back. I'm probably going to check down, even if I have you crushed. If you really truly believe your 8 is good, than you should also be checking down.

In reality you should fold pre in that spot though.

Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

[awein999]

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Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

in pokerstars's forums I believe you can put tickets to tourneys up for auction. Like if you win a ticket to a real life tourney and you aren't 21 yet you can sell it. I don't know much about it but I'm sure it exists somewhere.

[Reach]

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Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

You can check down when someone else is all in you know. It's pretty standard, actually. Why are you so concerned about blowing me out of the pot with an 8 on a flop of 4A8? You have to create a separate pot in order to do so. You also don't even know an 8 is good against gazeebo if I fold.


It was a huge mistake. You should re-read what I said. It's fine to do something like that with play money, but as you've been talking about transitioning to cash, it's massively -EV to do that and you need to understand why in order to be successful.


The DL: By betting your 8, you are *never* betting for value. This bet is always a bluff, and this isn't the board texture or the situation to be bluffing in because there's not much in the pot between us and I serve to have a huge hand here.The bet is simply devoid of any value in that situation and you don't have much fold equity. Hence, it's -EV.


When someone makes a big preflop raise, you call it and someone makes a reraise on top of your call, they have a big hand. Remember, because gazeebo is all in, I have no fold equity against him. Therefore, this raise is *always* for value against both of you. What hands do I raise here for value? It's 3 handed, but that doesn't matter much. I'm only raising hands I know have gazeebo and you beat, so AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ.

I'm oop, so I check that flop every time. Given there's an A on it, I hit it almost all of the time, and if I have any knowledge of how laggy you are, I'm going to call you with KK too.



Anyway, I laid down KK. Fairly standard without any information on a player, esp. given you shouldn't be betting that flop without a big A or 2 pair. Actually, I would say the only hand you want to bet there with is A8 or A4, or sets ofc, because it stands to have pretty high value against my range, in particular because I'm getting it all in with stuff like AK and AQ.

However, I wouldn't ever recommend making that call with hands that weak. Fold to re-raises like that unless you have a lot of information on a player, or you're holding something like TT+ or AJ+ (in which case you should probably shove, not call, unless you have the bullets and want to trap or something).

There are a few other issues; if the flop came 4K8 or 4Q8 or 4J8 etc this further goes to show why you wouldn't want to bet here (you managed to get one of the only flop textures where anyone would lay down their hand).