FFR poker league -dead-

[Reincarnate]

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Back to that game between Dwan and Hellmuth:

The only thing I don't understand: Why wouldn't Dwan simply re-raise something aggressively high with his pocket 10's? I don't yet understand the value of going all-in. It seems like the equivalent of a really large bet/raise that could turn out to be quite deleterious if you're not strong.

Is going all-in really just a high-variance vote of confidence? It seems like you'd only go all-in if you thought your opponent was strong but not as strong as you.

[awein999]

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Jae you should put that hand on youtube I bet it'll get a ton of views. Title: "7 2 off suit donk tries to bluff AA"
lolol

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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Back to that game between Dwan and Hellmuth:

The only thing I don't understand: Why wouldn't Dwan simply re-raise something aggressively high with his pocket 10's? I don't yet understand the value of going all-in. It seems like the equivalent of a really large bet/raise that could turn out to be quite deleterious if you're not strong.

Is going all-in really just a high-variance vote of confidence? It seems like you'd only go all-in if you thought your opponent was strong but not as strong as you.

This is exactly right. Not sure what your not understanding this was a bad play by dwan and 9/10 times would not work out for him. But from his perspective he should have raised based on Phil limping preflop, so a raise was the right move. Then he may have thought that Phil was trying to steal the blinds or something by reraising. Not sure why he shoved, he probably should have just called phils reraise, but he would have been priced in for a shove regardless.

[Ksl33zy24]

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DDR if you win real money, you will "no doubt" have to give atleast address information so they can mail checks.

[TC_Halogen]

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Back to that game between Dwan and Hellmuth:

The only thing I don't understand: Why wouldn't Dwan simply re-raise something aggressively high with his pocket 10's? I don't yet understand the value of going all-in. It seems like the equivalent of a really large bet/raise that could turn out to be quite deleterious if you're not strong.

Is going all-in really just a high-variance vote of confidence? It seems like you'd only go all-in if you thought your opponent was strong but not as strong as you.

In the case of just two players, pocket tens in the hole are really strong. The odds of you being beat before the flop are fairly low, and an all-in bet can represent you attempting one of two things -- stealing the pot (to take the blinds, since heads-up does somewhat revolve around this) or a bet for maximum payout (truly what it is, but your opponent won't be sure of this if you've been aggressive). In this particular case, it's not a bad play so to say, but definitely a poorly timed one. So, an answer to your question would be: sometimes. There will be instances where an all-in shove might be placed to bait your opponent into thinking you don't have anything, when you may in fact have them dominated, thus paying out a lot.

Another thing to think about: an all-in bet also shows a lot of confidence by the premise of the bet itself. Think about it: if you push all of your chips into the pot at once, the player who is opposing you can't try to bet you out of the pot. This can be a fairly effective strategy against aggressive players, because they may try a bit harder to knock you out of the pot when they see even the slightest hint of weakness.

A lot of betting patterns in poker can be interpreted two different ways, and it's very difficult to tell how a player is utilizing their chips if they're mixing up their game.

[lumphoboextreme]

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lol god damn my profit slowed to a stop im just kind of around a break even point lately. sigh

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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DDR if you win real money, you will "no doubt" have to give atleast address information so they can mail checks.

They have my address info. Out of 9000 entrants i made it to spot 77 and the first payout was 72nd, which was only $1.20. I was actually just wondering if I would be able to start playing mircro stakes, etc with my winnings or if I had to actually make a deposit.

Also, can someone please explain Hand for Hand play?

[lumphoboextreme]

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yes. you can play with micro stakes or whatever you can afford with the money in your account. hand for hand play is used on bubbles of large tournaments so that every table has to complete the hand before any table moves on. prevents shortstacks from slowplay folding their way into the money.

[nois-or-e]

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A lot of betting patterns in poker can be interpreted two different ways, and it's very difficult to tell how a player is utilizing their chips if they're mixing up their game.

+1 Well said mate.

[Reach]

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In the case of just two players, pocket tens in the hole are really strong. The odds of you being beat before the flop are fairly low, and an all-in bet can represent you attempting one of two things -- stealing the pot (to take the blinds, since heads-up does somewhat revolve around this) or a bet for maximum payout (truly what it is, but your opponent won't be sure of this if you've been aggressive). In this particular case, it's not a bad play so to say, but definitely a poorly timed one. So, an answer to your question would be: sometimes. There will be instances where an all-in shove might be placed to bait your opponent into thinking you don't have anything, when you may in fact have them dominated, thus paying out a lot.

Another thing to think about: an all-in bet also shows a lot of confidence by the premise of the bet itself. Think about it: if you push all of your chips into the pot at once, the player who is opposing you can't try to bet you out of the pot. This can be a fairly effective strategy against aggressive players, because they may try a bit harder to knock you out of the pot when they see even the slightest hint of weakness.

A lot of betting patterns in poker can be interpreted two different ways, and it's very difficult to tell how a player is utilizing their chips if they're mixing up their game.

A lot of good points are made here.

This is why it's important to consider how plays fair across a massive sample of hands before trying to determine if it's a bad play or not. Sure, Tom got his money in terrible here, but Tom has been a winning player in HU NLHE for a long time and shoves like this are pretty common.

In the long run, shoving TT in a spot like this thousands of times with those stack sizes is probably about break even. Most of the time when called, he'll be slightly ahead. This combined with the fact that he gets a lot of hands to fold here compensates for the times he gets called by higher pairs.

However, in addition, it makes him way harder to play against, makes him very unpredictable and changes up the meta game, which leads to ways to exploiting his opponent in the future.

Hence, the play is pretty standard. You can't just sit back and play like a rock in a HU NLHE game. You'll lose money, and a lot of it. It's completely different from 9 man ring games, or even short handed games.


This is indeed why HU NLHE is by far the hardest form of NLHE, especially if it's deep stacked. As such, I'm wouldn't recommend rubix dwell on this hand for too long. You don't have enough experience to learn to play heads up properly right now. It's way easier to start with 9 player ring games.

[lumphoboextreme]

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lol i'm still in the 250k gtd on stars. only 610 to go top 135 cash mincash is 612$

EDIT: 282 left but im getting short.

EDIT2: busted out around 190 but made up for it riding out a 1k heater in sngs. ^_^

[awein999]

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preflop: call check
flop: check check
turn: check 20 40 90 fold

The more and more I play omaha the more and more I like it.

[lumphoboextreme]

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haha im bad at omaha

[Without A Contraceptive]

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What's the difference between regular poker and headsup?

wooooo not a forum conversation, this is such a huge question. hit me up on aim or vent or something some time.

i play a lot of omaha, 5 card hi lo with a $20 cap on bets and plo. we usually play with 5 cards.

4 handed $1/1, 5 card plo. i have ~$220 behind, button has ~$250
last night i was sb with A2heartsJ99, button was tilted and straddling every hand. $3 straddle i raise to $10 straight, he calls hu to the flop

flop j22 two spades. i lead out $17 he calls
turn 6spades. i check he bets $31, i raise $52 more, he snap calls
river 4 (very blank). button goes "only hand that can beat me is pocket jacks" as i ship it for $106. he goes to the tank, keeps saying only hand that beats him is jacks and i start to believe he really had sixes. god damn i was so scared. i had just reloaded for $200 and i was losing 2 already so i did not want to bust and be stuck $400 at 4am.

he called, and mucked. said he had a flush and thought i was semibluffing a naked deuce or aces.

[TC_Halogen]

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Jae - you need to set up another schedule! Throw some mixed games in there while you're at it.