FFR poker league -dead-

[awein999]

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I accidentally called then went all in and everyone else folded O.O won the pot somehow

Not a winning play in the long run You might not get called often but when you get called you are ****ed.

[awein999]

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Can you explain this using variables at all?

e.g. everyone starts out with X dollars, pot is Y dollars, blinds are A and B dollars, raising means you add/subtract from this variable, calling means this, blahblahblah

Argh I've always had problems explaining like this.

Actually I'll give it a try be editing this again soon but it might be egregious.


There are 50 BB's worth of chips for each player.
Big blind: B.
Player X: you, player y: the reraiser.

Very first hand:
X Raises 2.5B.
Y Reraises 1.93(2.5B).
X Folds here.

[ichliebekase]

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Not sure if anyone has given this overview of the ranks, but I'll post it anyway.

The ranks go like this, worst to best:

High card [Ace is the highest.]
1 pair [2 cards of the same number or face value.]
2 pair
3 of a kind [3 cards of the same number or face value.]
Straight [5 cards in numerical order, any suit. If more than one straight, highest card of the straight determines winner.]
Flush [5 cards of the same suit, any numbers. If more than one flush, person with the highest card in the flush [usually ace] wins.]
Full House [3 of a kind of one number and a pair of another number.]
Straight Flush [5 cards in numerical order of the same suit.]
Royal Straight Flush (Also called Royal Flush) [Ace, King, Queen, Jack, Ten of the same suit.]

If you're sitting with no pairs at all, it'd be your best bet not to continue to go in if someone keeps raising. Obviously, if you have a flush or straight, you may want to stay in.

If you have for example 4 clubs and someone raises/bets and there are still cards to be revealed, you have a flush draw. It means you have a chance of getting the flush, but you don't have it yet. Some people go in with draws, some people don't, it's a matter of preference.

I've been playing poker for many years, my grandpop taught me when I was little. Any questions, I'd be happy to help.

Can you explain this using variables at all?

e.g. everyone starts out with X dollars, pot is Y dollars, blinds are A and B dollars, raising means you add/subtract from this variable, calling means this, blahblahblah

Everyone starts with X dollars. Blinds are A (small blind) and 2A (big blind). After a little while in some tournament (usually most), A will go up consistently like rounds. Whenever you bet for the first time, it will always be what 2A was (the big blind). Every time you raise that bet, it will go up by at least 2A but can go up by more. Calling means you match the bet that was placed. The pot starts at 0 at the start of every turn, but will go up whenever anyone bets and then others call.

[Reach]

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Hmm maybe my question will be better answered if I simply give an example.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1245/86611891.png

What is the process I should be going through?

Go on facebook if you have more questions, but:

You're the first person to act here (Your position is known as 'under the gun'; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_(poker) )

This isn't a very good position, and worse positions are less profitable than good positions so if you're going to play hands, they should be fairly strong.

QT suited is strong enough to play here though, so you want to raise it up. Never 'limp' or just call before the flop if there are no raisers. Sometimes it can be ok to do this, but the general rule of thumb is that if you're opening the pot (First to act), you should always be raising and not calling if you're going to play. If you're not going to raise, fold.


I recommend raising to 3x whatever the big blind is in most opening scenarios (You would raise to 3000 total here. IN reality, since there are antes, you should raise more but to keep it simple starting off, just make your raises 3x). The goal here is to get crappy hands to fold so you can isolate yourself against fewer opponents, and also to get some more money into the pot.


If everyone folds, yeah, you win the pot. Moving all in here will get most people to fold most of the time, which means you win the blinds, but whenever you get called, it will be by strong hands that have you crushed.

[Reincarnate]

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Maybe my mind is not properly equipped for this game

I am after a really, really rigorous mathematical/statistical way of looking at this game assuming risk-neutral profiles (expectation). Once I know that, I can start factoring in the psychology.

[awein999]

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Go on facebook if you have more questions, but:

You're the first person to act here (Your position is known as 'under the gun'; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_(poker) )

This isn't a very good position, and worse positions are less profitable than good positions so if you're going to play hands, they should be fairly strong.

QT suited is strong enough to play here though, so you want to raise it up. Never 'limp' or just call before the flop if there are no raisers. Sometimes it can be ok to do this, but the general rule of thumb is that if you're opening the pot (First to act), you should always be raising and not calling if you're going to play. If you're not going to raise, fold.


I recommend raising to 3x whatever the big blind is in most opening scenarios (You would raise to 3000 total here. IN reality, since there are antes, you should raise more but to keep it simple starting off, just make your raises 3x). The goal here is to get crappy hands to fold so you can isolate yourself against fewer opponents, and also to get some more money into the pot.


If everyone folds, yeah, you win the pot. Moving all in here will get most people to fold most of the time, which means you win the blinds, but whenever you get called, it will be by strong hands that have you crushed.

Oh yeah I do slightly smaller raises because I'm looser than most usually.
Reach's raise size is better for you

[Without A Contraceptive]

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JQ hand was pretty standard man, sucks. Don't know why buddy let so many off though. Should raise flop and shove turn with 3 clubs.

So I'm like nice he has a T and proudly turn over my hand waiting for him to muck his T, and buddy shows TT. I was so shocked I actually got up and stumbled around and then decided to leave. Before I left, he was like, man I thought for sure you had the 99 I thought I had the soul read on you.

Kinda wanted to thank him for saving me money. He was spewing the whole night and I definitely call his raise there.

ya even if he ships the turn with his boat im calling with the q of clubs and trips, too tilted to fold with only $50 or so behind haha

god damn that is so bad lmao... Soul Readz

a few times ive been playing $1/2 live late after going out drinking, raised suited connectors, flopped a straight draw, bet it two streets, rivered a Pair thought it was my straight and jammed the pot, flipped my hand triumphantly only to see that i have a pair... of fours.... so embarrassing haha

[Without A Contraceptive]

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Maybe my mind is not properly equipped for this game

I am after a really, really rigorous mathematical/statistical way of looking at this game assuming risk-neutral profiles (expectation). Once I know that, I can start factoring in the psychology.

id say your best bet would be to find a home game or head to ac and play a few sessions. you might lose few hundred but this is the best way to learn how to play

read the books but playing is the only way to really learn. everyone loses their first stack

[Ksl33zy24]

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got pstars back... whens the next tourney, tonight?

[emerald000]

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Sadly, there's no tournament scheduled right now.

[Reincarnate]

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Why does Tom Dwan look like he's having a perpetual Vietnam flashback/lobotomy/murder happening before his eyes?

[awein999]

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Why does Tom Dwan look like he's having a perpetual Vietnam flashback/lobotomy/murder happening before his eyes?

No idea what the hell he's doing and he's so sick. My favorite player. I guess having a poker face of showing "constant carish anxiety" makes some subconsciously think he's worried thus they are less likely to fold and more likely to raise him as a generalization. Combined with his loose aggressive style I think it fits.

Whatever he's doing it's working like a ****in charm. He rivals Phil Ivey for best current player.

[Reincarnate]

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What, in general, is a decent betting strategy? When to bet/how much to bet?



AND YES I AM WELL AWARE THAT IT DEPENDS
doesn't mean there aren't a handful of situations it can be broken down into

played against Halogen last night -- at one point decided to switch it up and try high-variance style and got slaughtered. 3x betting amount is indeed where it's at for the most part but I have no idea why

[Reach]

Re: FFR poker league -ongoing-

What, in general, is a decent betting strategy? When to bet/how much to bet?



AND YES I AM WELL AWARE THAT IT DEPENDS
doesn't mean there aren't a handful of situations it can be broken down into

played against Halogen last night -- at one point decided to switch it up and try high-variance style and got slaughtered. 3x betting amount is indeed where it's at for the most part but I have no idea why

How much to bet: I already linked you to this. If you don't still have it, save it: http://www.thepokerbank.com/images/b...ng-diagram.png


When to bet? You're a beginner, so make bets when you actually have a hand, i.e. top pair or better if you're in a ring game with 9 players. The less players at the table, the weaker the types of hands you can bet but basically, when you connect with the flop in some way, bet. If you miss, don't bet (check).

Of course, as you get better, you'll have to adapt this strategy significantly, but for the time being that'll do. (e.g. the first thing you can do is to balance your checking range by occasionally checking when you make hands, so you're not always checking when you miss the flop. You can also balance your betting range by starting to bet flops when you missed, which is usually a continuation bet).


The reason 3x is a good raise size is because of pot odds (http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...tics/pot-odds/). It gives players relatively bad pot odds to make the call if they have weak hands, but doesn't make the pot odds bad enough that they're necessarily going to fold hands that you have beat (i.e. profitable hands).

[Reincarnate]

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It's hard for me to tell which numbers I should be looking at with respect to bets because I'm still not entirely sure who's putting in what when. Whenever Halogen put in X amount, I changed my bet size to 3X if I had a strong hand. When should I look at the differential versus the sum total of the pot?

Reach: Alright I'll check that site out now when I get a chance -- I had looked at it before but was unfamiliar with a lot of the terminology at the time. Hopefully I'll get it this time. XD