Is it wrong to be gay?

[Chrissi]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

The bible says a lot of things. It doesn't mean being gay is wrong. If being gay is wrong because of the bible saying it's an abomination for a man to sleep with men, then it's also wrong to eat shellfish or pork, slavery is perfectly okay, you need to stay away from women during their periods and burn everything they touch, etc...

It's very selective to pick that passage out of the bible, and not follow the rest of it or take it as seriously.

[xBBx Takedown]

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I'm tired of people using the bible as a damn reference. Just because the bible says it's wrong to be gay doesn't entirely mean the bible is always right. Being gay is a choice and there isn't anything wrong with it. If another person likes the same sex of that person, it's whatever. They do what they want them to do. Honestly, gay people have more respect and heart then straight people. Gays in relationships manage to last longer because they don't have to worry about cheating. Now if you are straight, you will most likely cheat. So if you think being gay is wrong...you are ****ed up in the head. Believe the bible all you want, but that doesn't always tell the truth. The truth lies within yourself. I support anyone who is gay ^__^

[Without A Contraceptive]

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This is just ignorant, and there is a lot more to the issue than meets the eye. In the King James translation of the Bible, there are several passages which clearly condemn homosexuality. It is called an abomination. Now, that said, I have seen arguments that the passages were translated in a manner other than how they were meant, or that in the context of the times, the words didn't mean the same things. Some of the passages had good arguments against them, but others were shaky at best.

youre probably the best troll ive seen in awhile

but if youre serious...
ya you got it champ, the ancient text's meaning of an "abomination" is completely different from that of modern day. in fact, any bible scholar will tell you that the term was used to mean "something frowned upon, but accepted". eating shrimp was also called an abomination, and people were to be stoned to death for mixing fabrics etc..

to address the "u cant prove being gays not a choice" contention, i'll just keep it simple. it isnt a choice, the gene has been found; it is a matter of fact now. do a little research (gOOgle) and youll find out for yourself.

you can buy into the (certain parts that work for you) bible literalist mumbo jumbo if you want, but anyone out there with a working brain will laugh at how utterly ignorant you are

[ichliebekase]

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Rofl, so I've only read a little bit of this. I'll throw some change in here.

The bible is a joke and should not be considered into any form of thinking [opinion]. Especially since there are probably billions of different interpretations of the bible, and we will never know which is considered the most "correct".

Being gay is not wrong. Like WAC said, there's literally a gay gene. I know countless gay people and they're not bad people, they lead normal lives just like you and me, they just have sex with someone of the same sex. Oh well, get over it.

[Cenright]

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And so he says:

It's not wrong to be gay.

We can all have opinions, back and forth about wrong and not wrong. Kilroy says God doesn't exist, and so it isn't wrong. What does that have to do with anything? That is looking skin deep at the problem.


Yes, I believe in God; yes, I believe being gay to be wrong.
Let's throw that out for now, and just pretend that God doesn't exist, and look at the issue again.



If there is no God, then you believe in evolution.
People talk about a gay gene, when really it is just some alterations in genetic makeup. If it was a gene, it would be bred out, because NO ONE would be passing it on. That leaves it being and error/mutation/disorder. It is obviously not beneficial, because it is the type of thing that if it was a gene, natural selection would always breed OUT of the human race. Only human "intelligence"(and I use this term loosely) would have caused it not be bred out, if it was a gene.

This is the same reason why Super-mini-teacup Dogs are still around. Humans find them cute, even when those breeds are a disorder, even a de-evolution(if you believe that type of thing). It is why many of the types are weak, sterile, etc. Nature is TRYING to get rid of them. Humans deliberately breed that into the dogs, even though Nature would have wiped the things out. They are not better in any natural way, but they pander to the whims of human nature. Those dogs need nearly everything done for them, and would die because they are 100% dependent.


So really people, STOP using God as your right or wrong, because if you believe in the Bible, then you believe being gay is wrong, as it is very explicit about "men who lie with men" being detestable.

We can say God this, or No God that, but how about just looking at the topic of Gay being right or wrong in your Godless world, because we all know where the issue would stand in a world WITH God.

[Kilroy_x]

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And so she says

Fixed. I'm a girl type thing. Thanks.

We can all have opinions, back and forth about wrong and not wrong. Kilroy says God doesn't exist, and so it isn't wrong. What does that have to do with anything? That is looking skin deep at the problem.

Well here's the thing. Everything you typed after this point is total BS.

If there is no God, then you believe in evolution.

.....what? Faulty inductive leap of the century.

People talk about a gay gene, when really it is just some alterations in genetic makeup. If it was a gene, it would be bred out, because NO ONE would be passing it on. That leaves it being and error/mutation/disorder. It is obviously not beneficial, because it is the type of thing that if it was a gene, natural selection would always breed OUT of the human race. Only human "intelligence"(and I use this term loosely) would have caused it not be bred out, if it was a gene.

More to biology than genetics, sweetheart, and it's all just as immutable. Just the same, genetics is somewhat more complex than what your agenda-driven sunday school teacher told you.

We can say God this, or No God that, but how about just looking at the topic of Gay being right or wrong in your Godless world, because we all know where the issue would stand in a world WITH God.

There is no God. God is a contradiction in terms. I'm betting an eternity of unimaginable suffering that I'm right, so you ought to take this seriously. In a Godless world, homosexuality is pretty much fine. I'm a utilitarian, so, I have a standard to refer to. Fags ****ing fags increases cumulative happiness. Seems good to me!

[dore]

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People talk about a gay gene, when really it is just some alterations in genetic makeup. If it was a gene, it would be bred out, because NO ONE would be passing it on. That leaves it being and error/mutation/disorder. It is obviously not beneficial, because it is the type of thing that if it was a gene, natural selection would always breed OUT of the human race. Only human "intelligence"(and I use this term loosely) would have caused it not be bred out, if it was a gene.

because clearly never in the history of the world with nearly all societies that led to the modern western world did anyone pretend to be straight for fear of persecution, or execution, etc. and get married and procreate out of the perceived social obligation to do so

also clearly the existence of this gene would create a binary where you're either super-gay or super-straight and your outward expression of your sexuality would only result from the existence of that gene rather than your environment and social pressures

also clearly in the modern world natural selection takes place because we have such a difficult time with our environments (which we built ourselves in order to not have to deal with the environment) and our only goals in life are to procreate

[Kilroy_x]

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because clearly never in the history of the world with nearly all societies that led to the modern western world did anyone pretend to be straight for fear of persecution, or execution, etc. and get married and procreate out of the perceived social obligation to do so

also clearly the existence of this gene would create a binary where you're either super-gay or super-straight and your outward expression of your sexuality would only result from the existence of that gene rather than your environment and social pressures

also clearly in the modern world natural selection takes place because we have such a difficult time with our environments (which we built ourselves in order to not have to deal with the environment) and our only goals in life are to procreate

and also clearly genes can never be recessive, and lay dormant until a specific generation

also clearly every gene which doesn't help with reproduction has been rooted out of the human population, which is why there are no life-threatening genetic conditions. Nope. Not one in the entire world.

[devonin]

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And clearly all the passive-aggressive sarcasm makes you all look like very rational and reasonable people.

[virus003]

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Being gay is not wrong. Like WAC said, there's literally a gay gene. I know countless gay people and they're not bad people, they lead normal lives just like you and me, they just have sex with someone of the same sex. Oh well, get over it.

This.

Yet I still wonder why this thread is in CT

[Kilroy_x]

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And clearly all the passive-aggressive sarcasm makes you all look like very rational and reasonable people.

Appearences are in the eye of the beholder here. I'm not going to bother myself with trying to play to other people's biases just to try and make the point get through. It's too much damn work, it feels dirty, and I don't even get paid for it.

[devonin]

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You'll bother to weight and bias your word choice and tone to communicate contempt and disregard for another's opinions. That seems like more work than just stating your response clearly and concisely.

[Kilroy_x]

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You'll bother to weight and bias your word choice and tone to communicate contempt and disregard for another's opinions. That seems like more work than just stating your response clearly and concisely.

It would be if I didn't have more practice at it. Also, I was clear and concise, just catty at the same time. Of course, it doesn't help that the subject of discussion is PEOPLE. The discussion is literally "Are gay people's experiences valid?" Do you not see how the mere nature of the discussion already puts it way over the line in terms of unbiased discourse and turns it into a war? If I'm not allowed to self-define because another person uncritically privileges their perspective and then couples it with rejection, then I am inclined to undermine their sense of privilege in any way I can. At any rate I am not the aggressor, even if the actual aggressor is often ignorant of their status as aggressor.

[Kilroy_x]

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Subjective experiences really aren't fair game for a discussion which demands "proof". If I was fond of stabbing people, and they were not so fond, would it be fair of me to ask them to "prove" that they experienced pain as a direct result of my actions? How would they even do this? How does one prove the validity of any personal experience when someone elects to question it?

[God Dethroned]

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also clearly in the modern world natural selection takes place because we have such a difficult time with our environments (which we built ourselves in order to not have to deal with the environment) and our only goals in life are to procreate[/QUOTE]

From a Darwinian perspective, it is naturally wrong to be gay. ("our only goals in life are to procreate")

Is it moral to cause harm to yourself?
Is it moral to cause harm to others?

If both of these are seen to be immoral, than I feel certain aspects of homosexuality are immoral. [Mod Edit: removed very inappropriate remark] At the same time, nobody should be denied the ability to follow their emotions. Who are we to keep people from loving each other?

I don't think it is wrong to be gay, but I do feel that certain "gay acts" are wrong.