Is it wrong to be gay?

[brothaice]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

All my musings about pedophilia aside, 18 is pretty damned old to be an age of consent.

Sidebar: I believe the age of consent being 18 is in order to protect 14, 15, 16, etc. year old girls from full grown adults (anywhere above say late 20's) who can easily take advantage of them physically or manipulatively. I don't believe the law is to protect these girls from boys close to there age in most cases. False rape charges are only reason the age of 18 consent law is too high of an age, but that doesn't hold much water.

Sorry to go around the forum rules.

[krunkykai22]

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Pennsylvania and New Jersey the legal age of consent is 16. Have you not noticed how some guys and girls are maturing much much faster? We live in a world of changes. 50 Years ago the age might have been like 25 lol who knows. As for AOC being depicted, it saves lives guys .... really does.

[Rubin0]

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People are sexually maturing much faster, but mentally and emotionally I think people have been stunted by the internet, facebook, video games, and everything else people use to disconnect from reality.

[Mulie]

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People are sexually maturing much faster, but mentally and emotionally I think people have been stunted by the internet, facebook, video games, and everything else people use to disconnect from reality.

If you rate maturity by autonomy, I completely agree. But there are otherwise some new and interesting patterns in psychological development that couldn't have been observed in Premodern history, that are being brought about by those same mediums for information.

[fido123]

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Can somebody explain to me how we're maturing faster, and what kind of "mature" are we talking about?

[Izzy]

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I would argue that people are maturing way slower today then in past decades/centuries. Kids today have less and less responsibilities etc. 12 year olds from the 1800's would be taking care of sibilings or grandparents everyday and possibly working at a job. Now you get 18 year olds that bitch about finding a part time job because they want to sit on facebook all day.

I think the only reason you can consider kids sexually maturing faster is because of the amount of sexual material that is available to them has increased. Any physical maturation has probably remained constant though.

[Rubin0]

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Kids (especially young girls) are reaching puberty much much younger. I myself hit puberty at a ridiculously early age, and it either has very little or nothing to do with genetics because most people in my family were late bloomers. . I've actually done research in some of psychology classes, and apparently some researches think that the earlier girls are exposed to sexual content and the earlier they become aware of sex and their sexual bodies, the more quickly their bodies will start to develop. In the past girls' sexuality were guarded heavily, whereas little girls are wearing makeup, learning how to shake their bodies on the dance floor, and overall becoming sexual creatures much earlier. So our increasingly sexualized society could (operative word being could) actually be having an impact on young girls' bodies. That, and I also read that the growth hormones they give to cows actually cause girls (who drink a lot of milk) to develop breasts earlier. So it might be a mixture of things, but the bottom line is, puberty = coming much much earlier than in the past.

[fido123]

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If you hit puberty younger that's you. I've yet to see this anywhere. Also I think kids are becoming sexually aware faster, not more sexually "mature" since a lot of people have sex to add onto their "kill-count" and for social status. A lot of this is relative as to how you define mature.

[Rubin0]

Honestly, if you don't believe the puberty issue, then all you need to do is google it. It's something I have learned about from licensed psychologists, although I have never taken any medical classes or health classes about it.

http://www.examiner.com/early-childh...ty-young-girls

Just a quick read. Also, a lot of this is theory, but the numbers are there.


I didn't mean to derail the topic. Sorry, peeps.

[Chrissi]

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If you hit puberty younger that's you. I've yet to see this anywhere. Also I think kids are becoming sexually aware faster, not more sexually "mature" since a lot of people have sex to add onto their "kill-count" and for social status. A lot of this is relative as to how you define mature.

Seriously? The age of onset of puberty getting younger is no secret, it's been well-known for awhile now. Especially in girls, the age of menarche (first period) has been dropping.

[Rubin0]

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Seriously? The age of onset of puberty getting younger is no secret, it's been well-known for awhile now. Especially in girls, the age of menarche (first period) has been dropping.

I am blown away that you just used the term menarche. I thought I was the only dork that actually uses/knows that word. Thumbs up.

[Chrissi]

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If anyone were to use that word it'd be me.

[SpookG]

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Earlier puberty is much more likely the result of epigenetics than any kind of psychological manhandling. I don't really believe that those kinds of physical body processes can be forced through psychological behavior.

But since I'm mostly trained in emergency medicine, I'm willing to be soft on the view if you can successfully argue it, just understand I'm going to retain skepticism.

Unrelated, no, it's not wrong. Intelligent people are more experimental, and that doesn't mean it's always good to push the limits. It just means you're more willing to try new things. It's an evolutionary advantage for the species, and a double-edged sword for the individual. I look at being gay that way, if you are to push me to nail it down. Take what you want from that.

[HoneyMelonCalibrator]

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Earlier puberty is much more likely the result of epigenetics than any kind of psychological manhandling. I don't really believe that those kinds of physical body processes can be forced through psychological behavior.

But since I'm mostly trained in emergency medicine, I'm willing to be soft on the view if you can successfully argue it, just understand I'm going to retain skepticism.

Unrelated, no, it's not wrong. Intelligent people are more experimental, and that doesn't mean it's always good to push the limits. It just means you're more willing to try new things. It's an evolutionary advantage for the species, and a double-edged sword for the individual. I look at being gay that way, if you are to push me to nail it down. Take what you want from that.

Not sure if I completely misread your post or not, but are you implying that gay people have an element of choice in their decision to be gay?

That's pretty interesting. I personally have always thought that they're born that way. But that's only because a majority of the gay people I've met claim that it wasn't their choice.

[SpookG]

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No, I didn't do a proper job of writing the thoughts out; I hadn't had any coffee yet.

I'm going to barebone this argument for the sake of simplification.


Being smart can be an evolutionary advantage, or a disadvantage. It means you often take more risks. Try new things, like drugs, or ridiculously dangerous recreational sports, which can lead to death. let's just leave it at that. So it's not always a good thing, right? They are also tons of intelligent people who squander it. Pretty much a waste of themselves.

Well, who is to say being gay is different than being smart? There is choice implied in this argument. Not the choice of being gay, but the choice of using what sets you apart to either positively or negatively impact your life.

"**** happens to everyone. It's how we deal with it that makes us who we are."

You can be gay and hate yourself for it because others tell you to, or be gay and not give a ****. The only wrong I see is being gay and letting others fool you into believing you're subhuman.

Does this clear things up?