Obama Abandoned by Young Voters

[Vendetta21]

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The problem is that most people feel helpless in many regards. They know there are economic problems out there, but they can't begin to understand how the mess needs to be fixed, nor how they can fix it. They know there are problems in the future, but they don't know what they should be doing in the present, especially when there are so many divergent opinions on what the best mode of action is.

Yeah this is true. Most proletariat-esque people I know have this weirdly displaced, amorphous, and vague hate for liberals when it seems like what they really hate is corporations. Lol media narratives and red-vs-blue-team mentalities.

[MrRubix]

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http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/2012-contenders-to-bet-against/?hp

Disgusting

[Dokusuke]

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http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...et-against/?hp

Disgusting

Before I comment on the quote, I want to thank everyone who has posted. Honestly, I wrote this post because I had a representation on the topic the following day. It was my way of ranting, getting the prejudices out the way. I am really happy with the responses I have recieved, truly am.

As for the Republican candidate for the election of 2012--- no offense to those who like Sarah Palin--- but if Palin gets elected as President in 2012. I am moving out of the country.

[krunkykai22]

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Sigh...

Impeach Obama... That one made me laugh mainly because I went to the MVA (DMV) in maryland and saw a friggin table outside saying "IMPEACH OBAMA!"

What many people don't understand is just the amount of crap Obama has to go through. Doku, you said it yourself in the OP. He has a lot of things to worry about. Don't get me wrong, as the Leader of your country you HAVE to address EVERY issue. He IS neglecting a lot of them, but he is doing his best.

As of the midterm elections, I was very displeased with how things went about. The republicans should have never won if the Democrats weren't so busy bashing Republicans in their friggin ads either on TV or the Radio or signs everywhere. They were scared they would lose and just that happened. They ****ing lost.

I am a Democrat, and I don't care who hates me or wants to kill me >.> It's my choice. But for the Republicans to gain the HOR (House) it was very disgusting. I believe the health care reform can and WILL help the american people even though it would put us more in debt than we already are. (Which brings me to one statement, ALMOST every country is in debt to another or by themselves. It will be very difficult to even pull outta debt for years to come.)

The fact that the Republicans won house doesn't necessarily mean anything too much. There going to vote against the Health Care bill --> Obama is going to use his Veto against it --> Congress steps in to decide whether Obama's veto is essential ---> More democrats vote over the republicans --> the bill stays. I just watched CNN this morning and basically saw that outline. Mostly all the democrats in Congress/House/Senate will vote for the bill. And they ARE the majority. I don't think we have anything to worry about there for a while or until things change, which they can definitely do.

As for the "youth voters" I am 24 years old. I pay attention to every single election, as I just did with the midterm elections not long ago. I didn't know WHO to vote for because instead of preaching their policies they are bashing one another and it's bull****. I did like some of the republicans speeches, as well as some of the democrats. It's very confusing for the Youth voters to get a full understanding on what is ahead of them. Most of us just don't care to vote. Could you imagine kids getting high/stoned, drunk, tripping on something, or any type of influence and actually go and vote for someone who is completely just ridiculous? Like Palin? Come on now. Our country could be in turmoil if that happened. I'm happy the way the elections happened now. Did you know that during the Obama/McCain election what almost happened? McCain almost won .... By kids that voted out or stupidity in a few states. Pennsylvania being one of them!! That would have been a huge difference in the popular vote and maybe even in the electoral vote. It is sad to see many kids our age not caring about our country's leaders and elections, but I say it's better that way. No use crying over spilt milk, I say we give Obama his next 2 years to see what he can do. He hasn't quite gotten the hang of things yet, and who knows, maybe it will come about soon. I was never an Obama fan, but the man is going through alot. What would you do?

[TC_Halogen]

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This is only from what I have heard - I will claim ignorance toward this, and wouldn't mind being corrected.

There is never an agreement about what happens - if the Democratic Party assembles and comes up with an idea that they see fits well, the Republican Party seemingly opposes it, regardless of what may or may not come from it. The inverse is true as well. Now, I completely understand that all of the members within a given party have their own viewpoint and they are assigned to that party because of their viewpoints, but there never seems to be an idea that gets passed unanimously. Does anyone else feel like this failure to get a general idea between both groups causes a problem for us?

[krunkykai22]

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AJ, I completely agree. That is the case unfortunately. It just seems that most ideas one side has the other HAS to oppose it instead of being reasonable true adults. But, i suppose that is the way the Government is.....

[Cavernio]

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"Case in point: the MBS/Sub-prime crisis, the recession with a long-term sustained impact, and the looming economic problems on the horizon."

I'll pretend that I know what MBS stands for and that you're referring to more economic problems. Controlling the economy to not have recessions isn't exactly easy, and truthfully, I have no idea how much power goverment has over banking policies and interest rates which ultimately control inflation and recession. Besides which, this recession isn't all that bad, likely due to government intervention, which seems like it would have happened in much the same way no matter who was in power.
Recessions happen, its a fact of economies, I hardly believe this to be some sort of crisis.

I didn't say that people were right to not vote, and I didn't say I support not voting. I vote, I think more people should put effort and research into voting appropriately, and I think there's always going to be plenty of reasons to want to choose your government, even among choices which all seem so similar anyways. I'm just saying that I don't see voter apathy as a big problem, and that I totally understand it. If you want government to help see problems and fix them before they happen (like climate change), you really need to have a leader who's really charismatic, who themselves want to build new programs, and who can really pass on that enthusiam for change. Either that or have things be in a terrible state beforehand. Or better yet, have both of those things happen...like for Hitler. He wanted change, the timing was right and he was charismatic, and he somehow convinced millions of people to change their ethical views.

[Vendetta21]

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I'll pretend that I know what MBS stands for and that you're referring to more economic problems. Controlling the economy to not have recessions isn't exactly easy, and truthfully, I have no idea how much power goverment has over banking policies and interest rates which ultimately control inflation and recession. Besides which, this recession isn't all that bad, likely due to government intervention, which seems like it would have happened in much the same way no matter who was in power.

Recessions happen, its a fact of economies, I hardly believe this to be some sort of crisis.

This recession is the worst recession in a century and it's going to get worse. Your disagreement is basically my point. There exist alternative ways of doing things that don't produce such profound boom-and-bust cycles.

[Cavernio]

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It's far too soon to say whether this is worse than the Great Depression, since that lasted for much longer than our current depression so far. However, on some levels this is definitely not worse than that, like when considering the unemployment rate. In the US it's around 10%. During the Great Depression (which began in 1929, which is still a few years short of 100 years), the unemployment rate rose to around 20%. This is actually much worse than the current 10% rate (although its possible it will go up more, but seeing as we're working so hard towards this not happening, I'm fairly confident things won't get much worse), especially considering that most women weren't included in their unemployment rate as they were housewives not included in the labour force, and so that actually meant 20% of households had basically 0 income.
Programs like welfare, which apparently were adopted by the US after the Great Depression, and unemployment insurance exist now, so that even if someone is unemployed, they can still be active consumers, which will lessen the blow of a depression, as well as the individual impact on people who need that money.
It's also not hard to see that there's not been as great an impact on everyday lives. I've not heard of shantytowns being made from people moving around trying to follow the scent of a job.
On other notes, firstly, we don't vote globally. Although the US economy does effect the rest of the world's economy, the US is clearly not the only country responsible for the current economic times. Secondly, government is not in control over our buying and spending, nor is it even in control of banks. It only intervenes when things go awry and then apparently takes the blame for them. If you want it to have more control over such things, then you better go quite a bit farther left, which isn't going to happen because the US is like the most right-wing country in existence right now, even with Obama.

[virus003]

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As for the Republican candidate for the election of 2012--- no offense to those who like Sarah Palin--- but if Palin gets elected as President in 2012. I am moving out of the country.

Agreed, lol


So any republicans here?

[RobertsonaIsBack]

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this is "critical thinking" and a specific topic (that of obama and his popularity w/ young votres) is derailed into "SO IS ANY1 HERE A REPBULICAN"

ah, virus003