Is it wrong to be gay?

[RobertsonaIsBack]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

well first of all i'd like it if you stopped the simpering bull**** "i'm just religious ignore me" thus trying to pin anyone who argues with you down as an Anti Religious Heretic or something

I do understand there are A LOT of gays who are full of lust, and honestly those tend to be the one's who annoy me so much I can't even hold a conversation with them.

man im with the side you are arguing on but why say **** like this when it's completely applicable to, say, straight dudes. you know the ones who talk about sex....all the time. i mean obviously not all straight dudes are like that but in the same way not all gay dudes are like that

but either way i feel this is slightly irrelevant and what he's saying is not that they are obsessed with sex as much as the "nature of gayness is lust-based" of course for which my response of "okay what about straightness" is applicable

I said it was lust based because in a heterosexual relationship there is the possibility of having a child. So, when you have sex, you can either have sex for the purpose of lust (which, yes, I know, everyone does), or to have a child. Or just to express your love it someone, which is why they also call it "making love" (duh). I, myself, am a virgin, and I'm going to wait to have sex until I'm with the person I want to spend the rest of my life with and have children with.

okay so gays cant have children does that mean gayness in inherently sexual? especially this:

Or just to express your love it someone, which is why they also call it "making love" (duh).

...can't gays do this too? or is all sex because theyre GETTIN DAT ASS

as well as your statement about waiting for sex or whatever (which i dont really see the relevance of but whatever) gays do this too, see?! i mean not all of them do obviously but just the same way not all straight people do. in fact just about everything youve said about gays is applicable to straights too

edit: oh also gays can have children; artificial insemination/adoption. forgot about that

But if we didn't like people just because they're different we'd be a pretty ****ed up world.

yeah, i'm sure glad that never happens

[fido123]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Actually everything is your opinion and anyone can say what they want. And I was in no way trying to give an "argument" against it. Someone asked a question, so I answered. I was angling this at you, so calm down. No need to freak out. As I said, I don't care if someone's gay or not. They're still a person, and I like to get to know people. The only people I don't like are hypocrites. Even then everyone is hypocritical every now and again.

Sorry if I seem like I'm angry I'm just a bit passionate about the subject. I'm not angry at all. All I'm saying is perhaps you should look on how you view opinions. Again like I said, I have an opinion on how the universe began, but I also understand that it's a question I really can't answer so why assume I know? Do you know what it's like to be a homosexual? I understand you may have a theory, but if you don't know, perhaps you shouldn't have such a strong opinion.

I said it was lust based because in a heterosexual relationship there is the possibility of having a child. So, when you have sex, you can either have sex for the purpose of lust (which, yes, I know, everyone does), or to have a child. Or just to express your love it someone, which is why they also call it "making love" (duh). I, myself, am a virgin, and I'm going to wait to have sex until I'm with the person I want to spend the rest of my life with and have children with.

What about having sex to show your affection and love? Sex doesn't just have to be raw-dog, pelvis slamming, pleasure time.

man im with the side you are arguing on but why say **** like this when it's completely applicable to, say, straight dudes. you know the ones who talk about sex....all the time. i mean obviously not all straight dudes are like that but in the same way not all gay dudes are like that

but either way i feel this is slightly irrelevant and what he's saying is not that they are obsessed with sex as much as the "nature of gayness is lust-based" of course for which my response of "okay what about straightness" is applicable

Yeah there's defiantly a lot of horny straight guys, but from my personal experiences I'm pretty comfortable in saying the percentage of lust-driven gay guys terribly out-numbers lust-driven straight guys. Doesn't mean you should tar all gays as lust-driven cause a lot of them are though.

Yeah. I generalized. My b. Nothing really I can say there. And it's not really what I believe. It's just what I thought of on the top of my head rather than just saying it goes against my beliefs.

I don't assume to know. Which is why I said I like to hear from other people (see above). I don't know it all and I'd be dumb to think I do.

As for my religion, that's something totally different and I don't want to get into, not because I don't like to discuss it, but because it takes wayyyyyy too long. I just want to say one last thing before you guys respond again and I head out.

I don't mean any harm. If I got to know you guys better I'm sure you'd be wicked cool and we could be friends. I just have a different opinion over something that's important to you. Guess what? You have a different opinion over something that's important to me! We're in the same boat. So just remember that we're all people. I have feelings too, ya know.

I can completely understand with somebody having an "illogical" view of things when their religious, and I mean no disrespect by illogical, I just mean you can't explain your view with statistics or science proven facts. I respect your religion and respect it's views, and more-so respect the fact that you understand other people believe in different things, and you take on opposing opinions as another persons insight which may be correct, rather than a threat. This is the open-mindedness I wish everybody had.

[wolf pry]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

no its not, its just who you are and people should just mind their own freakin business.

[RubiedCross]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

There's a reason why I put the "Making love" part in there. Because I believe it's true both ways, which is exactly why I included it.

Like I said, go ahead and be gay. I have my own opinion, and it doesn't blind my judgment. It doesn't even affect anyone but me. Until I tell someone what it is and they get offended. I'm sorry that I offended you and make lacking and whimsical arguments that are deserving of being on a critical thinking thread. Apology accepted?

[fido123]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

No apology needed. I wasn't offended, just challenging how you viewed things/opinions and it turns out it seems you have the mind-set I was talking about anyway. Sorry if my message came off as angry as I'm tired too and I've been playing Runescape today for nostalgic purposes so I'm a little brain dead today lol.

[Queen_Darcy]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Slightly off topic, gay people still recycle for this planet, how great is that!

[virus003]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Embracing homosexuality lowers birth rate and it ever caught on big time, it could lead to the decline of human population. It doesn't follow natural design either, everyone's base instinct is to live and reproduce. Homosexuality declines our born instincts for personal pleasure. Even if a straight person did not have any kids for his whole life, he would only do so by denying his sexual side. For a homosexual there is no denial, so he feels fulfilled from something that is to create new life but denies its true form and purpose.

Dude I couldn't agree more.

I don't hate gay people, I just think that they can get extremely annoying.

They always hang around their boyfriends and make out, which is obliteratively disgusting.

They talk like chicks.

They dress in weird ass **** just so everyone knows they're gay.

I'm sure not every gay person is like this, but there's about 4 or 5 people in my school that are gay, and they all act like this, and it gets very annoying.

That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way, you could be a completely normal looking person, and be gay.

Either way, this is my unbiased opinion.

My dad has always told me being gay is wrong because it doesn't fulfill our role as humans, to reproduce, it doesn't matter if two guys love each other, there is no physical way for them to reproduce or anything. Making the point of being gay pointless and dumb, and disgusting. I'm not telling you to go die or anything, this is my opinion, MY unbiased opinion. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking this, others think gay people are just regular people in this world, but I am an average born American raised on these thoughts.

[Izzy]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Dude I couldn't agree more.

I don't hate gay people, I just think that they can get extremely annoying.

They always hang around their boyfriends and make out, which is obliteratively disgusting.

They talk like chicks.

They dress in weird ass **** just so everyone knows they're gay.

I'm sure not every gay person is like this, but there's about 4 or 5 people in my school that are gay, and they all act like this, and it gets very annoying.

That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way, you could be a completely normal looking person, and be gay.

Either way, this is my unbiased opinion.

Unbiased opinion? That is the most narrow minded generalization I have ever seen.

[gnr61]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Dude I couldn't agree more.

I don't hate gay people, I just think that they can get extremely annoying.

They always hang around their boyfriends and make out, which is obliteratively disgusting.

They talk like chicks.

They dress in weird ass **** just so everyone knows they're gay.

I'm sure not every gay person is like this, but there's about 4 or 5 people in my school that are gay, and they all act like this, and it gets very annoying.

That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way, you could be a completely normal looking person, and be gay.

Either way, this is my unbiased opinion.

My dad has always told me being gay is wrong because it doesn't fulfill our role as humans, to reproduce, it doesn't matter if two guys love each other, there is no physical way for them to reproduce or anything. Making the point of being gay pointless and dumb, and disgusting. I'm not telling you to go die or anything, this is my opinion, MY unbiased opinion. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking this, others think gay people are just regular people in this world, but I am an average born American raised on these thoughts.

yeah man i also can't stand when two heterosexual people don't want to or are unable to have children together.
my unbiased opinion is that the point of these "people" existing is pointless and dumb, and obliteratively disgusting. i don't hate them or anything though

i'm not like that

[NFD]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

4 or 5 kids out of 2,000+ oh no







don't you feel like a minority

[Iam90]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

Dude I couldn't agree more.

I don't hate gay people, I just think that they can get extremely annoying.

They always hang around their boyfriends and make out, which is obliteratively disgusting.

They talk like chicks.

They dress in weird ass **** just so everyone knows they're gay.

I'm sure not every gay person is like this, but there's about 4 or 5 people in my school that are gay, and they all act like this, and it gets very annoying.

That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way, you could be a completely normal looking person, and be gay.

Either way, this is my unbiased opinion.

My dad has always told me being gay is wrong because it doesn't fulfill our role as humans, to reproduce, it doesn't matter if two guys love each other, there is no physical way for them to reproduce or anything. Making the point of being gay pointless and dumb, and disgusting. I'm not telling you to go die or anything, this is my opinion, MY unbiased opinion. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking this, others think gay people are just regular people in this world, but I am an average born American raised on these thoughts.

LOLin' @ all these people with retarded bigoted opinions mounting the "this is just MY OPINION and what I was raised 2 believe" defense

here's a hint guys free speech is great but it isn't a magic bullet that saves u every time it's convenient for you.

[MrRubix]

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I seriously can't tell who's trolling in here and who isn't -- especially because it's *actually not uncommon for people to hold these views* ackk.

[devonin]

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As long as the trolling parts are reasonably articulate and keep a civil tone, they actually contribute to the discussion by giving everyone more...objectionable views to which to respond.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

I am probably going to kick myself for taking the trollbait (although odds are it's probably a case of http://tinyurl.com/aox4sg or something), but I'll assume people in here are serious and clear up some misconceptions for those that may be on the fence or misinformed.

I think being gay is lust-based. I love a bunch of guys, but in a brotherly way. I don't mean to put down anyone who is gay though. I have gay friends. They're really funny and cool and I hang out with them. We just both know what are own opinions are, and that's all it is.

If you're trolling, then whatever. Everyone is equally "lust-based" and you make it sound like it's something gay-specific and yet worthy of a reverse justification. Also the "gay friends" argument has been done to death. It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card. You're certainly free to hold any opinion you want, but the problem is that people use opinions based on faulty to justify actions that, at the core, cause a lot of problems for gays.

There are times when discrimination is an essential component when the justifications are linked (for instance, you have to be a certain height to be able to join the military and you cannot be mentally retarded or obese -- but these rules are in place because allowing such people into the military would cause legitimate concerns about personal safety as well as the safety of their peers). Back to my point, you'd have a hard time making such a justification for legitimately discriminating against gays. Of course, people will still do it anyway, and that's the point.

I said it was lust based because in a heterosexual relationship there is the possibility of having a child. So, when you have sex, you can either have sex for the purpose of lust (which, yes, I know, everyone does), or to have a child. Or just to express your love it someone, which is why they also call it "making love" (duh). I, myself, am a virgin, and I'm going to wait to have sex until I'm with the person I want to spend the rest of my life with and have children with.

"Actually everything is your opinion and anyone can say what they want" this would be fine if your opinions weren't founded, again, on faulty premises.

Do you understand how evolution works? Why do you think we feel lust in the first place? We lust after pretty humans because prettiness is often a signal of genetic quality, and we've evolved the need to perpetuate our genes by seeking quality genes to reproduce with. Sex is pleasurable because it's a necessary condition -- the more pleasurable something is, the more we are inclined to do it. Species that don't find it pleasurable enough to do often enough die out because they're selected against -- but those that do live on. Why do you think it hurts so much when we get kicked in the nads? It's because we've evolved the need to protect them at all costs in order to help ensure genetic quality.

Genetic variation is the other necessary condition for natural selection to work. From generation to generation, we have an imperfect DNA binding process that throws in mutations. This means that you'll have differences here and there. Homosexuality is one such example -- some people are born homosexual and most are born heterosexual (as we would expect). Some may be predisposed to changing views after the fact. Either way, it's a constant reinforcement between human and environment.

You can still evolve the desire to have sex and yet not want to do it with the opposite sex. It's not so much "Oh man she's so hot... I seriously and actively want to reproduce with her" as it is "I want to bang her because she's hot," because our desire to bang some bitches up ins helps propagate the species. That desire is still built-in either way, but genetic variation/mutation explains why it doesn't always have to come with the desire to have sex WITH people you can actually reproduce with. It just means that it's generally been the case (because otherwise we wouldn't be here).

If you want to argue that gay people are gay because it's "lust-based," then you must argue the same thing for straight people. It doesn't matter who you are -- you're predisposed to feeling lust because it's been a necessary condition in our evolutionary process. So with that fallacy nuked out, the question then becomes "Are you still going to discriminate against someone because they have a lust for something they can't reproduce with?" That is an appeal to naturalistic fallacy and still doesn't give you any reason to actively discriminate.

Again, it's fine to have your own opinion, but it's always good to become better-informed so that your opinion is less-likely to be formed under incorrect assumptions/misconceptions.

[brothaice]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

I remember when this thread started and I am shocked that it has reached this length. A question such as the one in the OP should have been resolved on the first page.

When asked a question such as "is it right or wrong to be gay?" is misleading in itself. This is because if you take a completely objective view towards the subject (by taking religion and other pertaining personal beliefs out of the picture) the question becomes null and void. The reason is according to the best of human knowledge people who are truly and honestly gay do not choose so. They call it multiple things in the world of psychology from gender confusion to a genetic anomaly. So there is no answer to whether or not it is "right or wrong to be gay" because if people don't choose it it cannot be right or wrong. That's like asking in this day and age if its right or wrong to be mexican.

If you still believe gays are just "making it up" or something don't risk carpel tunnel typing it here.

I don't understand how intolerance still exists in the 21st century, although I do understand that it will always exist.

The interesting thing about gays though is that unlike most other stereotypes, intolerance, and stubbornness against accepting another group is that gays do not have a history of making any major personal attacks on any other group.

Anyway whatever im tired of typing this i've been cramming for this test for hours now and im exausted, I didn't get my entire thought out but eh....

Just don't be a hater.

btw tl;dr any other post.