Forum Trolls and The World

[scientific]

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look who it is my man a0 discussing argumentative people and their annoying properties

finally a topic you actually know something about

[Vendetta21]

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A bit of an exaggeration in my phrasing, but no, to troll is to manipulate a mark in effort to elicit an emotional response.

The people doing it probably aren't truly sociopathic, but it is anti-social behavior. The most telling feature is the lack of empathy. Trolls don't care if they hurt the feelings of their mark; in fact, that's usually their goal.


Funny enough, inability to deal with boredom is another sign of sociopathy.

And schadenfreude that you create out of nothing isn't true schadenfreude. If someone falls into a swimming pool and you laugh at it, that's shadenfreude. If you push someone into a swimming pool to laugh at them when they get angry, that's not shadenfreude.

ps hi arch lol seriously though you should have just said "people will use the word 'troll' for different meanings and fail to distinguish the meanings." I'd also like to point out that your writing style is remarkably uninteresting for some reason and that your lack of capitalization isn't appropriate for this level of discussion.

Lol you're retarded human interaction on the internet lacks empathy not because people are sociopaths but because they're sufficiently disconnected from others. I don't make an effort to empathize with the 6000 people that died in the last ten seconds and I'm not going to make an effort to empathize with a user-base filled with thousands of people I don't know. I think what we see here is a mind-projection bias. Or you're just a ****ing idiot. The former is funnier.

[Izzy]

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We should play sc2 some time.

[Vendetta21]

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OH no I responded to the Afrobean I am playing into his sick twisted desire to have a facsimile of human interaction on the internet through arguing! If I acknowledge his existence he has won.

Actually I don't care you need to go get ****ed sociopath because your a waste of resource consumption and you have never said anything that has been worth the effort it takes for others to read because you're a serious nonserious only joking not joking retard that spits out words faster than you can comprehend the subject and still hasn't managed to process anything of more complexity than a ****ing Batman graphic novel in your entire life.

[MrRubix]

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I see what Arch means, though. Why are you taking phrases/words from posts and then adding superfluous annotation to them in strawman-like format?

I didn't use "Schadenfreude" incorrectly. Like I said, the idea is to "stir the pot." The reactions, if you're doing it properly, are self-perpetuating. You can ignite a furious debate and watch people tear each other apart. Trolling isn't necessarily a constant act of being involved in the process. You can be an ass and try to link the causality back to the start of a given chain, but that's merely mincing semantics.

And, agreed with Vendetta. The whole point is that the Internet is a disconnected medium to begin with. Trying to invoke this sociopathic stuff is just silly. It's the fact that people take the Internet way too seriously and overreact to things said by random people that simply should not matter in their lives.

Learn2read context clues and quit being a smartass, man.

[Frozen Beat]

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Wrecked tbh

[Afrobean]

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Lol you're retarded human interaction on the internet lacks empathy not because people are sociopaths but because they're sufficiently disconnected from others. I don't make an effort to empathize with the 6000 people that died in the last ten seconds and I'm not going to make an effort to empathize with a user-base filled with thousands of people I don't know. I think what we see here is a mind-projection bias. Or you're just a ****ing idiot. The former is funnier.

I get the feeling that you didn't read my second post or misunderstood me greatly after having read it.

I was exaggerating in my first post. They're not sociopaths, but trolling is anti-social behavior. Do you deny this? I suppose I could have merely said "trolling is anti-social behavior", but it just doesn't have the same punch as "trolls are sociopaths."

"Sufficiently disconnected" is also a laughable idea. Empathy is entirely possible over a text-only medium. If you choose to not be empathic, that's up to you, but it's entirely possible. Hell, it's possible to feel empathy while reading fiction. "This is just text on a screen, it's not a real person" is an incredibly immature way of thinking about Internet interaction. It's not entirely unnatural to feel that way, but you should be able to use your brain and realize that those you interact with on the Internet are real people.

ps hi v

[MrRubix]

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Yeah, and masturbation is genocide.

[MrGiggles]

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I just finished a game of SC2, where my opponent expressed strong verbal harassment throughout the game, without me having spoken a word. This harassment reminded me very much of forum trolling - a plethora of mindless irrationals, bent on offending others to fulfill their hourly needs.

Yeah that doesn't really describe forum trolling at all. That guy must have really **** in your cornflakes for you to even consider this thread.

Hell, it's possible to feel empathy while reading fiction.

Generally, most fiction writers are trying to get you to empathize with their characters. Forum posts don't often have that goal in mind.

[Bill Kaulitz]

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Trolling is a function of boredom. You get on a forum, stir the pot, and watch your puppets dance for your amusement. Then you move on and have fun with the rest of your life while those on the forum have been worked up and stressed out. It's a sort of psychological schadenfreude that you can have fun with from the anonymity of your computer, and it's sometimes funny. That's about it.

I agree with this entirely. I've only trolled a couple times, but to watch a whole forum and/or chatroom explode after you've trolled is pure amusement.

[Frozen Beat]

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Trolling is not anti-social, as I said, you're making too many generalizations. Trolling is anti-social behavior. Do I deny this? Yes, I do. First of all, trolling is interacting with others, and you imply it's with the intention of driving off others. It's not all the time, in fact, from my experiences with online games, as well as many others', it's to bring in a person, or in some instances, groups of people to start an argument, "troll," then come out "on top." Just to feel superior. It's like walking down the alleyways of a bad neighborhood, and somebody random coming up to you and saying "your shirt sucks." The moment you say anything offensive whatsoever, that gives them the "excuse" to beat the crap out of you. And yes, you can compare this to trolling, at least in the luring aspect of it all (despite that some trolling may be a lot more head-on).

""This is just text on a screen, it's not a real person" is an incredibly immature way of thinking about Internet interaction. It's not entirely unnatural to feel that way, but you should be able to use your brain and realize that those you interact with on the Internet are real people. "

It is not an immature way to think of it, I've spoken to some real bright people that treat text online as AI, even when they know it's not. Your opinion is extreme and uncalled for. And jeezus, you said right after "it's not entirely unnatural to feel that way." Really? Then why give such an extremist position on it so fast. And I'm sure that the majority of trollers believe others are real people. Just the fact that you said "should be able to use your brain and realize," just goes to show contradictions in all the holes in your argument.


Also, rofl @ earlier comments

I get the feeling that you didn't read my second post or misunderstood me greatly after having read it.

I was exaggerating in my first post. They're not sociopaths, but trolling is anti-social behavior. Do you deny this? I suppose I could have merely said "trolling is anti-social behavior", but it just doesn't have the same punch as "trolls are sociopaths."

"Sufficiently disconnected" is also a laughable idea. Empathy is entirely possible over a text-only medium. If you choose to not be empathic, that's up to you, but it's entirely possible. Hell, it's possible to feel empathy while reading fiction. "This is just text on a screen, it's not a real person" is an incredibly immature way of thinking about Internet interaction. It's not entirely unnatural to feel that way, but you should be able to use your brain and realize that those you interact with on the Internet are real people.

ps hi v

[Afrobean]

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First of all, trolling is interacting with others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour

get the **** outta here

I didn't even bother completely reading your terrible post after I saw that instance of stupidity so early on.

[MrRubix]

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Projecting, much?

[Frozen Beat]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour

get the **** outta here

I didn't even bother completely reading your terrible post after I saw that instance of stupidity so early on.

Oh so you get all your garbage from wiki? No wonder arguments are crap hahah

Trolling is interacting with others. If I troll you, are you a wall? Are you a piece of grass? rofl

And just the fact that you said "reading your terrible post after I saw that instance of stupidity so early on," goes to show you can't really argue with the later points of my argument, or you're afraid of reading it.

Dropped.

[Afrobean]

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antisocial != asocial

Don't try to argue with me on this point. You are wrong.