TWG XC: Deja Vu

[Panda Express]

Re: TWG XC: Deja Vu

So what you're saying, fic, is that believing than a green is green is all intuition?



I agree, I sincerely feel that Manti is a true, honest green.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG XC: Deja Vu

Alright, time to lay down what I've been contemplating for a while now.

Panda in my eyes is a wolf. The way he threw down that 3rd vote had an air of someone who is more than happy to lynch someone that's not themselves or another wolf. Yes that wasn't pressure, no matter how much you would like us to think otherwise. In fact that action has caused me to suspect gun of being a wolf as well. I will give you 2 potential scenarios of what i think happened.


Also, after reading over past games so many times, I've realized that Gun often plays the silent type, and people grill him for it in the post game. He finally takes an avid stance, and people jump on him for it. At the same time, I've noticed theres like a hidden guideline that says apathetic humans = wolf, but I don't think this applies here, it honestly seems to be out of frustration.

Going to change my vote to a safety on Maki for the time being. My vote didn't seem to get the response from Freeze like I expected. He seems to be playing the observing type, rather than a reactive type

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Scenario 1: Gun and Panda are both wolves. Gun lays down a random vote (GUT INSTINCT YEA) to see if it sticks. Afro joins in because that's what Afro does I guess. Panda then tries to push it all the way by turning "pressure" into a bandwagon vote, because hey whens the last time wolves cared about lynching a green based on absolutely no evidence? One problem though, and that's the foundation of the bandwagon (GUT INSTINCT YEA) which is almost non-existent. Gun panics as votes are thrown his and Panda's way, and starts on a tirade which seems to end in him accepting his lynching (?). Then Panda changes his vote into a safety on Maki, says i didn't react the way he thought i would to his vote (I wasn't aware that I reacted at all o_o) and subtly reinforces guns position by portraying him as a frustrated human who is just trying to play the game differently than he usually does. Smooth one Panda. Well not really.

Scenario 2: Gun is a human and Panda is a wolf. Gun tries to kick things off by randomly voting me. There was seemingly no logical reason to do so, but i don't begrudge him for that: you have to start somewhere right? Thats not the important thing anyways, whats important is that Panda decides to start a bandwagon and attempts to vaugely give substence to his vote by citing that "Gun was on to something." After he got tagged and called out for his bandwagon vote, he was asked to explain exactly what "Gun was on to".

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Whatever Gun was on too, it certainly wasn't pressure. I'm pretty sure that vote is the opposite of a pressure vote, considering that pressure votes are there to gauge someones reactions and not to ACTUALLY vote for them. Well if you noticed Panda, I reacted, and Guns vote is STILL ON ME. So therefore its safe to assume that Gun is actually going all the way and committing to voting for me. Then Gun goes on his rant, but only in this scenario hes genuinely frustrated and is human. Then Panda swoops in, changes his vote, covers his tracks, and reinforces his humanity (Lol) by providing a logical explanation to Guns adverse reaction to getting a few votes.

As you can see, those two scenarios are very different. But there's one thing that's the same in both of them. In both scenarios, Panda is a conniving wolf who is willing to lynch someone at the drop of a hat (GUT INSTINCT YEA), shows a patently wolfish disregard for anybody other than himself and other wolves, and just in general his mannerisms scream wolf to me.

night phase was pretty drawn out, and I'm eager for things to start unfolding.

I bet you would be.

TL;DR Version: Panda

[FreezinIce]

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Ew that came out super messy, let me repost:

Alright, time to lay down what I've been contemplating for a while now.

Panda in my eyes is a wolf. The way he threw down that 3rd vote had an air of someone who is more than happy to lynch someone that's not themselves or another wolf. Yes that wasn't pressure, no matter how much you would like us to think otherwise. In fact that action has caused me to suspect gun of being a wolf as well. I will give you 2 potential scenarios of what i think happened.

Scenario 1: Gun and Panda are both wolves. Gun lays down a random vote (GUT INSTINCT YEA) to see if it sticks. Afro joins in because that's what Afro does I guess. Panda then tries to push it all the way by turning "pressure" into a bandwagon vote, because hey whens the last time wolves cared about lynching a green based on absolutely no evidence? One problem though, and that's the foundation of the bandwagon (GUT INSTINCT YEA) which is almost non-existent. Gun panics as votes are thrown his and Panda's way, and starts on a tirade which seems to end in him accepting his lynching (?). Then Panda changes his vote into a safety on Maki, says i didn't react the way he thought i would to his vote (I wasn't aware that I reacted at all o_o) and subtly reinforces guns position by portraying him as a frustrated human who is just trying to play the game differently than he usually does. Smooth one Panda. Well not really.

Scenario 2: Gun is a human and Panda is a wolf. Gun tries to kick things off by randomly voting me. There was seemingly no logical reason to do so, but i don't begrudge him for that: you have to start somewhere right? Thats not the important thing anyways, whats important is that Panda decides to start a bandwagon and attempts to vaugely give substence to his vote by citing that "Gun was on to something." After he got tagged and called out for his bandwagon vote, he was asked to explain exactly what "Gun was on to".

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Whatever Gun was on too, it certainly wasn't pressure. I'm pretty sure that vote is the opposite of a pressure vote, considering that pressure votes are there to gauge someones reactions and not to ACTUALLY vote for them. Well if you noticed Panda, I reacted, and Guns vote is STILL ON ME. So therefore its safe to assume that Gun is actually going all the way and committing to voting for me. Then Gun goes on his rant, but only in this scenario hes genuinely frustrated and is human. Then Panda swoops in, changes his vote, covers his tracks, and reinforces his humanity (Lol) by providing a logical explanation to Guns adverse reaction to getting a few votes.

As you can see, those two scenarios are very different. But there's one thing that's the same in both of them. In both scenarios, Panda is a conniving wolf who is willing to lynch someone at the drop of a hat (GUT INSTINCT YEA), shows a patently wolfish disregard for anybody other than himself and other wolves, and just in general his mannerisms scream wolf to me.

night phase was pretty drawn out, and I'm eager for things to start unfolding.

I bet you would be.

TL;DR Version: Panda

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG XC: Deja Vu

freezinice, maybe you did this on purpose, but you overlooked the possibility of both panda and gun being human.

Gun attempting to mix things up as a human by being brasher than normal isn't impossible (you seem to be aware of this), and panda being a terrible new player and voting haphazardly without realizing the implications is also easily possible, especially if he was trying to do as I did.

[Afrobean]

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By the way, you guys are aware that day ends this afternoon, right?

[Afrobean]

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My count thus far:

Panda Express (2): Freezinice, sc979
Freezinice (2): Afrobean, Gun92
Makilaz (1): Panda Express
Gun92 (4): Viccica, Makilaz, Solid Dreams, emerald000
Redherring (1): Ruritsu

Panda Express and Ruritsu, you'd be better off taking a side on the Panda/Freezin/Gun situation. I don't like seeing people throwing away votes when they know their vote isn't going to affect a damn thing. I don't care if your lone vote is terribly justified, it doesn't mean anything when the vote leader has 4 votes.

And remember: failure to take a solid stance on issues made us lynch A2P last game. You don't want to be in that position, even if you are unwilling to vote for any of the three in the triangle here.

Insta is at 8, by the way. Host, it'd be wise of you to indicate required insta when day begins, by the by. Tons of people have yet to vote though (what the ****, dumbasses?), so maybe we should just recognize that gun is going down and insta him so as to avoid FIVE OF OUR MEN getting phantoms.

[Afrobean]

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When I say "terribly justified" above, I mean it in a positive sense. Meaning you've put a lot of work into it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrible

4. formidably great

I don't mean it in the sense that it is poorly justified or something like that.

In other words, even if your vote has a great logical reason for it, if you're the only person voting for them and there is a situation with three heads a-brewing, your lone vote isn't doing anyone any good and it makes you look like you're just abstaining from taking a solid stance on the issue that actually matters for the day.

[clarinet89]

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7 people have not voted yet.

Insta is set at 8 votes.

Day ends at 3 CST. (4 EST, 2 MST, 1 PST)

[A2P]

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I'm sorry, but Gun is acting too weird this game. That hasty accusation against freezin is unsettling.

[Afrobean]

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7 people have not voted yet.

I counted 10 people who did vote. There were 16 players at beginning of game, and manti is no longer with us. This means there are 15 players in the game now who should be voting.

Was I wrong in my count? Which seven people have yet to vote?

[FictionJunction]

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arfo

[Afrobean]

Re: TWG XC: Deja Vu

you son of a bitch

[tupacodaman]

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well, as sad as this (I don't really think gun is a wolf), we can't stand to have this many phantoms by night 2.... seriously guys... be more active... I know it might be ironic i'm saying that even though I'm posting half an hour before day ends, but let's just say I stayed out a little too late last night

[tupacodaman]

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whoops, forgot to vote for gun

[Afrobean]

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Don't be too hasty to vote for gun at this point.

If we're going to insta to avoid phantoms, let's at least wait until just before day's end to do it.

We're 2 away from insta on gun. If anyone has anything to contribute, let's hear more of that rather than more mindless bandwagon voting.