Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats

[navyseal101]

Just to make a point about all the people that don't like how Bush is spending government money and saying that we are in a huge national deficit.

America's GDP (gross domestic product) is over 9 trillion dollars. That kind of money alone almost inflates itself in value. The only way to make that amount of money worth something is to give it to other countries and/or invest it heavily into a diverse range of programs like military and privitizing things and medicine, etc.

since we are part of a world economy, it's good to be in debt, sometimes even in a big way. There are actualy some countries that base their revenue off the debt we owe them. If those countries ever go broke, it would hurt the "world economy" even if only slightly.

Now of course, there is a point were we could get into trouble if we spent too much, but I believe that point is far away and Bush isn't getting us there any time soon.

Money is ment to be circulated. The only reason you make a dollar is to give it to someone else and eventually it will come back to you anyway. Now I won't argue with anybody that says it could be spent more wisley but hey, people arn't perfect.

[Mindfields]

Ok, that post has nothing to do with the original post. I think that this has been bumped too far.

[ayanepuck]

Having a political discussion is about as pointless as arguing religion. There is not one here who will be swayed in his/her beliefs.

[nforcer06164]

That's why it IS a political discussion, and not a political argument.

[alainbryden]

You people need to relax at the concept of an argument. An argument need not get personal or violent. The whole point of this topic and I daresay this forum is to have healthy and entertaining arguments. No one is expected to have their opinions swayed, that is nearly an impossible feat. The forums have nothing against arguments, only against violence. If you cannot keep arguments civil, then topics are locked, otherwise, this is all intellectual excercise. You shouldn't feel it amounts to nothing just because you aren't convincing anyone that you're right, again, that's not the purpose of this discussion.

[QreepyBORIS]

Bush is not exaclty completely conservative.

He is spending like a crazed liberal. Take a look at them deficits!

He's spent more money than almost ANY president--certainly more than any other Republican/Conservative.

It's just that the shit that he spends it on makes him a right-winger.

[nforcer06164]

He's spent more money than almost ANY president--certainly more than any other Republican/Conservative.

Care to back that up with some kind of evidence?

[GuidoHunter]

What does Bush do that doesn't make him conservative? Sure, he spends money like Qreepy said, but every government needs to spend money, and it's on what the money's spent that shows conservatism or liberalism. Bush is an extremely conservative president in almost all realms (I qualify that because there probably is somewhere where he's a bit more liberal, but I certainly can't think of it, hence my question). My only problem with him is that he hasn't slashed government handout programs. I want massive social program reform, and he hasn't given that to me, but he's been otherwise occupied. Not that that's the best excuse, but still, not doing that doesn't make him liberal, just distracted.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

He's spent more money than almost ANY president--certainly more than any other Republican/Conservative.

Care to back that up with some kind of evidence?

https://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

And besides, you doubt that is true?

[slimshdy425]

What does Bush do that doesn't make him conservative? Sure, he spends money like Qreepy said, but every government needs to spend money, and it's on what the money's spent that shows conservatism or liberalism.

Sure government needs to spend money, but not so much money that the value of the dollar is collapsing and the multi-trillion dollar surplus left by Clinton has fallen apart. Drastic changes are considered liberal, am I wrong?

[QreepyBORIS]

Uhm, radical.

Which is like liberal++, but yeah.

And spending a whole ton is liberal, as well.

But still, instigating war war war is very conservative. He still has conservative values.

[nforcer06164]

He's spent more money than almost ANY president--certainly more than any other Republican/Conservative.

Care to back that up with some kind of evidence?

https://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

And besides, you doubt that is true?

Qreepy, I wasn't asking much when I asked you to back up your statement, and I'm guessing that if you used the word "certainly" as you did in your post, that you either had a credible source or no source at all. If I really wanted to look it up to prove your statement to myself, I wouldn't have said a word. You didn't justify what you said, and the way you said it seemed fishy to me. Maybe you didn't see it, but I sure did, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. Could it really hurt, now? So, like I said before...

Care to back that up with some kind of evidence?

[DracIV]

Sure government needs to spend money, but not so much money that the value of the dollar is collapsing and the multi-trillion dollar surplus left by Clinton has fallen apart. Drastic changes are considered liberal, am I wrong?

Shady, you probably don't want to know this, but in the past few years of Bush we have had a very low inflation rate, not a collapsing dollar, and reality has set in that the "trillion dollar surplus" was not really there, and neither was the .com fortune.