If God created man in the picture of himself.....

[The_Q]

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I mean what evidence is there to prove he is in existence.

There's also no evidence to prove he doesn't. To say "There's no evidence for his existence therefore he doesn't exist" is not counter-evidence.

Q

[alainbryden]

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What bugs me is how some religious people uses human intellectual inadequacies as their only defence.

"How can you reason God exists."
"Well humans can't comprehend infinity so God can exist"
"oh, well then..."

actually, I think that's the only defence that can't be countered, just because it's not really a defence...

[eyespewgreekfire]

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Q, I believe that there is evidence that he doesn't exist. God is supossed to be all loving and good, which implies that there cannot be bad, since he created everything. Pinch yourself, did that hurt? That right there shows that there cannot be a god in the Christian defenition of an all good being. Perhaps there is a somewhat vengeful god who enjoys both helping and tormenting those he creates, but this already proves Christianity, Judaism, and Islam wrong. Personally, I think Buddhism (not including Atheism, Deism etc) is the religion with the fewest holes in its paradigm, but that is a whole different debate.

[QreepyBORIS]

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What is pleasing and what is good is different.

Sometimes, suicide bombers do the right thing.

Because that is the way god intended it.

[eyespewgreekfire]

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The suicide bomber still feels pain and must sacrifice himself for his cause, as well as harming others. What I am saying is that if god is purely good, as Islam, Christianity, and Judaism say, there can be no pain whatsoever. If god was good but still wanted to have a degree of conflict in the world, that is a bit more feasible, but that contradicts some religions.

[QreepyBORIS]

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You are arguing that pain is not good.

I am arguing that since God created pain, pain is good.

[xxbananas4u314xx]

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you can all argue about whether there is a God or not, but in the end none our opinions about things mean nothing. Being a strong Christian i have the faith that there is a God. Well actually, its not hard to have faith at all. There are medical breakthroughs and miracles everyday that shows God does exist. Maybe if you don't understand that there is a God is because you haven't taken the time to open up your heart. And no matter what anyone can ever say to me my mind will never change, probably because the biggest miracle i've seen in my lifetime is the ones i've seen in myself as well as the people closest to me since Christ has been into our lives. You can be angry at me and curse me off or whatever u feel nessacary to do, but no matter what u do, i'll still love all of u guyz with Christs love, thats exactly what he wants all Christians to do. Though there may be struggles at times, theres always hope, a hope thats greater then anything. No matter what your going through or the terrible things that go on in this world God is there for u.
Ps: about the destruction and everything, the old testament clearly states that our God is a wrathful God plainly because he hates evil. Whenever there is an evil source during the times before Christ, you would often see many cities destroyed and many people killed. This is only because God simply hates evil people and works. Luckily, God is also a merciful God and that's why he sent jesus to cleanse us of our sins so that we won't have to face his wrath, and so we are cleansed into sinless beings, hense he has no use for his wrath. Plus, i am merely a human, i cannot explain God's plan and yet trust him. God Bless all of u

[eyespewgreekfire]

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As a response to the above, how can their be a source of evil if god created anything? What I am getting at is that if god created everything, he must have created evil as well. I just think that this is a rather glaring inconsitancy. Also, thats not to say that I despise religion. The post above me shows the kind of caring person it can create. After reading that there, I am pretty sure bananas is a pretty nice guy.

[QreepyBORIS]

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God and people have different views of what is evil.

[Tsuteto]

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I'm just not even going to get started upon things after reading this. I mean... half of what people say is true, half isn't. I'm not saying that everything I would say would be true, but I'm at least willing to defend if need be what would need to be.

Oh, and if any of you are wondering, I'm mormon (preffered term is LDS (Latter Day Saint) if you will, but you don't have to say that)

[blahblah18]

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Personally I am not relgious, but I like to think there is a greater entity out there.
People that say there's prooff one way or the other are flat-out wrong.. .thats the whole point, its why it is called faith.
THERE CAN BE NO PROOF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER... Having studied general tenets in quite a few religions, I like the way that it seems a good amount of the Jewish faith is not based on the word of God or of specific actions, but rather what their interpretation is supposed to be for your everyday life. The Bible / Qu'ran / Joseph Smith's Tablets / whatever , were all written by men
This makes them
A) Fallible
B) Interpretations
C) To be read like a history textbook written about 400 years after the events in it took place.
D) To then not be taken literally but rather as a way to live your life and to think about the deeper questions.

I believe philosophy and religion shoudl come together more often.

I hate scientists that use their explanations fo physics and chemistry to disprove God's existence, for it does no such thing. There are those that argue that the ridiculously complex laws of these sciences only act as further proof that God must exist. But really, it deosnt' show one way or the other.

[Tsuteto]

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Yeah, and practically all scientists have said that at one point or another, there was some higher being... or something like that. I'd have to ask my brother about this again.

[Wayfaerer_]

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As a response to the above, how can their be a source of evil if god created anything? What I am getting at is that if god created everything, he must have created evil as well.

God is for choices. He did not creat evil, but the former angel that came to be the devil chose to be evil. He is what stands for most of the "bad" things in this world. Of course, with your statement that pain is bad, I do not think so. Good things can come from bad things.

Going back to your statement that pain is bad, consider this situation. Say I was ignorant to the fact that a burning stove can damage my hand if I lay it there, and there was no pain. If he hand got burned bad enough I would not have use of it for the rest of my life. If I feel pain when I lay my hand on a stove though, it will alert me to the danger. So pain can actually be good in this instance.

Edit - Oh, I know what you are getting at Tsuteto, there is about a 1 to 1 billion chance that our universe could be balanced to where it would not deystroy itself. Therefore giving evidence that there is a possibility of a higher being.

[alainbryden]

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There are medical breakthroughs and miracles everyday that shows God does exist.

Of course, because god makes these medical breakthroughs and puts them in the heads of the humans to whom he gave the right to think for themselves. God also gave us the medical breakthrough to play God with genes. Thankyou Scien... I mean God. You are truly existant. Welcome to ffr.

[veld]

I think as the years passed by, our skin colors started to differ. I learned it in public high school, 9th grade, history class. The teacher was talking about how our DNA started to split or something. We adapted to different enviroments on this planet, like extreme hot and cold weather, etc.

I guess it's part of being human.

And, who knows, maybe God and Jesus had some really really really good tan. :P