TWG VIII (The Matrix Has You) Day 4

[alainbryden]

It was bold you _, and I used it do make the -_- dissapointed smiley because you are all being _s. I was putting in a temporary vote for myself, but my need to vote chardish as a wolf was greater.

It was also nice of whoorlican to come out like a wolf. "let's vote off a human because I don't like him." Way to take one for the team.

Lightdarkness, you are the _. Just because you automatically trust the wrong people, and find yourself used easily, meanwhile overcompensating by being a relentless hardass about anyone else that tries to talk to you shows that you obviously don't have what it takes to determine whether someone is trustworthy. So yes, it is impossible for you to make an alliance, but not for other people.

Flypie, that's what I told people I trusted, but obviously, now that Jursey has attempted to unleash all hell on me, that strategy is completely useless, so I was posting what my intention was before all this shit started being thrown around.

And Jursey, your double reverse psychology theory is bull. There's not even single reverse psychology involved here. Infact it's called a Type I error. I am attempting to claim that you are making a big fucking mistake, and you think I'm lying. You fail here, not me. I just think you guys are all such _s for misinterpreting what I've been saying the way you have, meanwhile wolves like chardish and whorlican are popping in turning stupid ramblings into votes and pretending they are substantiated.

And I don't blame the people who trust me for not jumping in, because you _s would just claim they are my wolf allies you ignorant _s. If you play for yourselves only you will just lose. I try to bring some people I trust together and you vote me off like I'm plotting to wolf you all. You clearly don't understand how to play this game as a team and that's why the wolves will keep winning with the same strategy as the past two games.

Anyone got anything else to say? because you're wrong.


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[alainbryden]

oh sorry Tsueto, here you are.

[Tsuteto]

Actually, I do have something to say.

First off, you whine too much. You're acting like everyone else is far beneath you, and that you're the only savior. I mean, what's the exact point of it all? You, trying to defend yourself as if it is the important thing is just screaming wolf towards me. I know, you're thinking bull. Guess what? My mind, not yours.

Second, it was your fault to begin with that made us pull towards you as being a wolf. You tried to do a double whatever thingy that I'm not even going to try and explain, which made us take towards you as a wolf more than anything else. What reason DON'T we have to think like that? Sure, some of us may be following, but in where you tried to gain allies, you only turned out to have them brought forth as friends. That's that.

Third... you curse far too much. Cut it down a little bit, please?

[lightdarkness]

Alain is turning into a mini Tass.

Overconfidant of his skills, and thinks everyone else is wrong.

No offence to Tass that is (<3 <3 see you in TWG X)

[whorlichan]

Alain, I didn't vote for you because I don't like you. I just think that you are protesting too much, trying to con us all into NOT voting for you for the odd fact that you are making us suspect you. I thought the point of the game (besides winning for the TEAM, not yourself) is to find the people who are more suspicious and get rid of them.

I don't see anyone else quite as obviously suspicious as you yet. If I do, I will change my vote. Meanwhile, I am glad to have gotten off the random vote and found a (currently) useful one.

[alainbryden]

Well I have said everything I can say and have pointed out everything you need to know the truth. If you still come to the conclusion that I am a wolf then you have failed at reasoning, and you have made your first mistaken lynching. I am done for the day.

[lightdarkness]

Lightdarkness, you are the idiot. Just because you automatically trust the wrong people, and find yourself used easily, meanwhile overcompensating by being a relentless hardass about anyone else that tries to talk to you shows that you obviously don't have what it takes to determine whether someone is trustworthy. So yes, it is impossible for you to make an alliance, but not for other people.

Uhh, i'm the smart one and am not trusting anyone in this game.

You go up to Jursey, without talking to her for more than 2 minutes, and put an enormous amount of trust in her.

The only way to do that, is to be a seer, or a wolf. So that is why I choose you, Alainbryden

[User6773]

First of all, your blame for me being a wolf is senseless. You accuse me of bandwagon formation, despite the fact that a large piece of evidence had been recently levied against you. Voting after something like that isn't bandwagoning - it's making a rational decision based on facts and evidence.

The principle evidence against you was your claim to Jursey that you trusted her. The concept of an alliance would be alluring to most players, and when someone offers their trust, it's hard to turn it down. In other words, your whole campaign with Jursey seems like "fishing" for a newbie who will be your pawn and stay off your back.

You've offered no reason for your simultaneous absolute trust of Jursey with your absolute distrust of others (namely, me.) You've offered no explanation for your erratic, unpredictable actions, other than the bizzare pretense that somehow this is all an elaborate scheme to draw out wolves. You've offered no defense of your behavior other than a stream of incomprehensible profanties touched by fire-and-brimstone warnings of what's to come if we proceed. You've offered no apology for trying to confuse and manipulate your fellow players to no end, randomly pegging others as wolves and forming concrete conclusions from insubstantial evidence.

Therefore you've offered no recourse but to vote for you.

[lightdarkness]

I would just like to say, that Chardish is the best writter i've ever seen, and he should write books for a living, because that post was soooooooooo intelligent.

And I would just like to remind people that there is no Seer in this game, I didn't want any confusion from this message of mine:

The only way to do that, is to be a seer, or a wolf. So that is why I choose you, Alainbryden

EDIT: Alain, I just saw the comments you have on your little "voting guide", and I find it quite hillarious that after 36 hours, you are sure of 2 wolves, and one other, and calling many people idiots.

Even if there is a small chance you are a human, you aren't a team player.

EDIT V2: He can't even spell idiot, what an idiot.

[Squeek]

About 8 hours to go.

No name-calling, OK? This is the most intelligent forum section we have and, as such, should contain the most intelligent posts on the site.

I'm reconsidering the 36-hour days, but I don't know what to do otherwise. I still want 10:00 - 10:00, but if I do that, I have to wait 24 hours during the Night shift before I update the thread. I know as for this weekend, I could make an exception and hopefully have it updated at midnight, since the 48 hours would end Sunday night at 12.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but there's no way you'll be waking me up before noon. It just will not happen. Seeing as this is the case, I would LIKE to have the thread updated right after most of the users get home from school, but I have to incorporate the west coast as well, which makes this all the more challenging. If anybody has a viable solution for me, please AIM me with it. My AIM, as always, is "Stop Drop And Di" with no "e".

~Squeek

[blahblah18]

Ok I"m just gonna make this little post and then go back to thinking.

Of all the people so far in day 1, Alain looks the most suspicious, but I don't know if I see anything that means he's a wolf.
I do agree with Chardish that it seems pretty bad about his trusting Jurs, but that's about it. What LD said was completely ludicrous and basicalyl a flat-out lie... worst reasoning for a vote I've ever seen.

LD paraphrased:
Only a wolf would try making alliances in a game with no seer

LD Last Game:
Hi Tass, I'm LD. How about we start the beginning of an alliance to try and spread it to other humans?

eh?

Now knowing from past experience what possibly offering an alternative can bring, I'm going to preface this by saying that to convict someone for merely defending them is as stupid as when Alain said anyone that votes him is a wolf. I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just trying to offer other possible scenarios so we have an idea of maybe the reasons behind these actions.

Either
A) Alain's an idiotic wolf and thought he could get the n00bs on his team by being like "i trust you lets start an alliance" .. if this was the case, I would expect MAC or nForcer to step forwards and say "yes someone contacated me too! and it was really similar to that!"
that hasn't happened... makes me think no wolf plot is going to be done as a solo..
B) Alain's an idiotic / new human who for some reason got it into his head that he would be a prime wolf target and then the only way to stay alive was through the hope that the wolves would think we'd do their job for them. While personally I think its a rather dumb strategy, it seems slightly more logical then choice A.

Possible explanations for Alain's convo with Jurs:
A) Alain's a wolf and wanted to build an "alliance" in the same way Tass and Q did with Cenright and TnyHwk back in TWG III (for you people that wern't there, tass and q were wolves and convinced the humans cen and tny to join an alliance with them). Again, if this is the case
1. I would expect other pople to come forward with seemingly similar situations or suspicions
2. Alain wouldn't have gotten as righteous with anger as he has, because there would normally be his teammates then to say "STFU"

B) Alain's a human and somewhat stupidly goes about trying to start the beginnings of an alliance. He chooses someone that he has talked to a lot outside of TWG and thus figures he'd be able to tell if she's acting off or anything. He feels betrayed when she posts the convo and he becomes indignant.
Sidenote to B: remember that no one ever questioned Tasselfoot when he woudl go to someone and say for some reason that he trusts them based merely on the posts made so far , as I"ve said before, refer to TWG II when he immediatelyt came out saying he knew myself whorli and banditcom were humans.

C) Alain wants to see if Jursey is a wolf and thus wants to see if she'll blindly / readily enter into an alliance with him with little to no basis for it. It woudl be a test to see if the wovles wanted to extend their power the other way.
Personally I don't believe this is the most logical option but its feasible so I listed it.

My guess here is that it very well could be choice B because Alain knows that Tass isn't in the game and feels that he should somehow take his place and gather people together.. whether he did a horrible job of that or not is irrelevant, but this is definately a possibility for some of his actions.

In conclusion, no one's really said anything that damning yet besides Alain and LD's reason for voting Alain, but I just wanted to show everyone how the way LD / Chardish / the others are painting the facts completely glosses over the other side of the coin.

[lightdarkness]

Wow, you paraphrased(sp) too much.

I said it's impossible to completely trust someone in a game with no seer, not to make alliances.

Also, us bringing in tass was different circumstances, which can't be applied here. I feel my reasoning is completely justified.

[blahblah18]

All I know is, wolves would like information suppressed human's would like information shared.. I believe, and as Tass has always siad, to win, the humans have to at least try to form some alliance.. whether or not Alain was moronic in his attempt, I refuse to believe that the attempt alone is damning evidence

[blahblah18]

Because I don't want to put an edit in my main post, I"l lsay here that the tass Q connection was in TWG FOUR, not TWG three..

[Lupin_the_3rd]

A) Alain's an idiotic wolf and thought he could get the n00bs on his team by being like "i trust you lets start an alliance" .. if this was the case, I would expect MAC or nForcer to step forwards and say "yes someone contacated me too! and it was really similar to that!"

I'm not sure who first stated the idea of getting Alain getting all the 'noobs', but Jursey and I are the only noobs that I am aware of that he has decided to trust. Whereas he contacted a good friend of his, Jursey, I, being somewhat unfamiliar, came to him. The way he was acting in the beginning of the game made me suspect that he was a human. Basically, my greeting for him was, 'what the hell are you doing, and why?' Ever since he explained it to me, I figured that an alliance could work, but only if we had some level of trust for each other. Admittedly, I have been intimidated by people contacting me (very similar to jursey), but I decided that I would give trust a shot, for even if he was a wolf, his promotion of sharing of information and lack of encouragement for who to vote for would not be detrimental to the humans as a whole, and would help me to get a better perspective on the game.