Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

[Zythus]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Please. I would not even think of putting up such a hateful maxim if were weren't always trying so hard to suffocate ourselves so unreasonable to believe that tolerance and respect is what you give everyone else and ultimately, what everyone else gives you. I personally do not have anything against any religion, however, if it crosses over to human rights issues, its not a racism issue anymore. Its a crime.

You asked for evidence:

Muslims in Britian: Hate Protests.

"Honor Killing - Stoned to death.

Muslim Rape Statistics

3 Year old girl poisoned with Anti-Semitism


Devonin, I couldn't get away with this even if I wanted to, not with you around anyhow. But please don't be overly conceited to think that Racism = Wrong, end of story. Moreover, your opinion of my opinion is, in fact, a mere opinion that you think I am wrong. I am rational and I do realize there are many Muslims who do not believe in these radical approaches, but it is becoming a threat due to the influx of Muslims that will completely suffuse Britain in the next 20 years.

Muslims will overtake Europe in 20 years.

I apologize, but truth is not obscured by empathy and amity.

[devonin]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

There's still a key difference between "good and bad" as they apply to a certain set of standards and "better or worse" as they apply as a comparative value judgement.

Should I link you to all the fun stats and videos and information about the KKK and show how christianity is a horrible bad and wrong institution? Perhaps the crusades, or the witch trials, or the Inquisition, Spanish or otherwise?

Splinters and logs my friend. Splinters and logs.

[Zythus]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Events such as the Christian crusades and the inquisition are the works of religious zealots who thought he himself is doing God a favor by eradication and assimilation. However, the doctrine of Islam intrinsically order the genocide of Jews for the betterment of the world. Good or bad and better or worse stands immaterial when believers feed off such a hateful dogma as the divine truth.

Furthermore, religious malice was a primitive battle of the past. Today, we are taught to accept and be tolerant and not be too critical in judgement, which is a great proffer for peace. Islam comes uninvited and attempts to revive the old fires of divine justice and hate. Where I stand in this is that the intruder deserves no respect and no tolerance because of the fundamental hatred it brings.

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

I think as long as there are differences, there will always be some sort of racism or hatred or discrimination. Racism is simply the discrimination based on genetic ancestry.

I would say that many people tend to like those who are perceived as most similar to themselves. It isn't true in every case and there are people who absolutely cannot stand those who are similar to them, but I think there are enough people who like those who are "most similar" to constitute if not a majority then at least a decent-sized group.

And what easier way is there to distinguish among those you are not acquainted with than the visual? Human beings are very visual creatures. We receive most of our input through our eyes (except for those who are blind). We have very distinguished vision, even color vision, which is rare among animals. I know birds have color vision as well but there aren't many more animals which do.

So we rely so much on vision that our first notions of things usually come from how they look. Are they pretty? Do they catch our eyes? Does it look neat or fun?

So without even knowing someone else, if they look very different from you, and if you rely too much on first impressions and preconceived notions, it isn't difficult to imagine you might be prone to racism.

So because of this, I think even if racism were erased in current generations that it would spontaneously re-emerge in some later future generations.

As such, it definitely has a place in society, though ugly it may be. I would say it is the same sort of thinking which causes racism as that which causes any other sort of superficial discrimination, such as discrimination against those who are deformed or ugly or handicapped or anything else.

It is something we must live with and try to work around. We must see to it that we ourselves are not racist or otherwise unfairly discriminatory. We must constantly watch ourselves and ask ourselves critical questions so that we do not fall into the same trap for it is all too easy to let first impressions or notions, however unfair or wrong they may be, be the lasting impressions.

In short, it is way too easy to be superficial and we live in a time of great superficiality. So ugly things like racism and other types of superficial discrimination will rear their ugly heads.

[devonin]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

However, the doctrine of Islam intrinsically order the genocide of Jews for the betterment of the world.

Where I stand in this is that the intruder deserves no respect and no tolerance because of the fundamental hatred it brings.

Have you ever read the koran or spoken with an imam? I can't help but suspect that your hatred is here born of presupposition, or extending some single cases into your opinion of the whole. A biased reading of the bible can give you a pretty thoroughly negative opinion of christianity as well. And I can point to plenty of incredibly zealous christians who espouse beliefs like "we should eradicate all gay people" or "All jews are going to hell for killing Jesus" These kinds of things aren't unique only to the faith you want to put down, and unless you're going to acknowledge that you can't possibly speak for even a majority of muslims when you paint these broad strokes with your brush of generalization, I think you ought to just stay out of this particular discussion.

[Zythus]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Believe me, I would not pursue this at all if these cases are just an issue of minority, just some cases of radical Islam. No, I certainly wouldn't be so bold about it. However, this is beginning of a bigger regime, a oppressive regime by government figures that is trying to do whatever they want, to get whatever they want. I am not generalizing Muslims here, and especially not the ones with peaceful intentions, but when you have a government propelled uprising, it is a crime and no tolerance or empathetic logic overrides this. "My feelings were hurt" is not a valid objection.

As well, I have taken workshops and courses for World Religions, and I have read are translations of the islam. The exploit of scripture is that it can be taken ambiguously, and it becomes a primary weapon for political and radical islamists who wield this sword and strike the tolerant with irrational claims. However, in the case that the Koran is promoting Anti-Semitism, it is a bit more than ambiguous, as I will show you soon when I get home from this Windows98 computer which is, somehow, still functioning quite smoothly.

[tha Guardians]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Have you ever read the koran or spoken with an imam? I can't help but suspect that your hatred is here born of presupposition, or extending some single cases into your opinion of the whole. A biased reading of the bible can give you a pretty thoroughly negative opinion of christianity as well. And I can point to plenty of incredibly zealous christians who espouse beliefs like "we should eradicate all gay people" or "All jews are going to hell for killing Jesus" These kinds of things aren't unique only to the faith you want to put down, and unless you're going to acknowledge that you can't possibly speak for even a majority of muslims when you paint these broad strokes with your brush of generalization, I think you ought to just stay out of this particular discussion.

Thank.
You.

I didn't feel like typing this out, though it's almost word for word what I would say.

[Gigispackles]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Racism can never go away because there are those people out there that have to think of every possible way to make themselves feel better. I also think that it's a self-esteem issue.

[tha Guardians]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Muslim is... an inferior religion.

By what means, exactly? If you speak only of hatred, ignorance and arrogance then by those standards all religions are inferior.

All religions teach recruitment. 'Ohhh, you must be saved and follow the Holy Word and praise your lord.'
'Ahh, you will be condemned unless you follow my God.'
'Punishment is imminent for the nonbelievers.'
Islam just goes a step farther and supposes that those not born in their land, raised to their customs, and strongly follow their religion are disgracing them by sharing this planet. Of course that's not always the case, but even a minority becomes obvious when it's so radical.

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I just took like an hour-long break from this post and I completely lost my train of thought.
Uhmm.

ANYWEH

It's not just Muslims that are reliving outdated customs.
If you're going to insult Islam then you better insult all religion, else you're a hypocrite. Although religion as a whole may look treacherous, to individuals it gives reason, hope, and morality.

You speak of the Koran teaching hate and intolerance so much. How many people do you think believe that?
I'm guessing 50%.
How many people do you think are willing to do something about it?
I'm saying 10% of that 50%.
How many out of all Muslims would terrorize other nations?
I wouldn't say more than 1% of that 10%.

That gives you .05%, and we're in war right now trying to lower those numbers even further. I don't know or care whether you agree with the war, but the truth is if you generalize people, prepare to be generalized.

---> You stupid infidel. You've defied Allah's immaculacy with your pathetic, despicable fallibility. The work of Allah must be perfect, and you contradict the wills of Allah. Now DIE! <---

If you think Muslims should die, and terrorists think Christians should die, then.... :O
Terrorist?

[Chaosvermin]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Does racism have its place on society

Racism has no place in modern society.

Can it ever be completely abolished?

To abolish a natural instinct that humans have relied on for survival would be both incredibly challenging and idiotic. (For lack of a better word, i don't have a good vocabulary okay.) This instinctual racism has (probably) helped some 'races' survive for when they saw a larger, stronger, more violent 'race' they would have learnt to stay away from, protecting themselves as to live on further.

Note: I'm not good with writing or speaking my thoughts/ideas, what i have written makes perfect sense to me but to you im not so sure. I apologise in advance.

By the way this thread is getting off topic from racism to religious discrimination.

[N.T.M.]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Don't be a racist. Racism is a crime, and crime is only for black people.

lol OK, OK

On a serious note though, like one other user mentioned, racism has existed far before Darwin's theory was every created. IMO though it could have initially developed by making people feel relatively superior. "X is the best race, and since that person over there is Y, doesn't X feel very special about now?" That's just one possibility though. There are numerous things it could be attributed to.

Unfortunately though, racism will always exist in society.

[Zythus]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

It's not just Muslims that are reliving outdated customs.
If you're going to insult Islam then you better insult all religion, else you're a hypocrite.

Done.

Devonin:
You can't really objectively discuss whether you think someone else's faith is true or not because that's just not how faith works.

Disregard the polemics of right and wrong entirely, because for whatever reason you believe religion is right or wrong, it doesn't remedy the impact that the current disposition of religion has on society. And I believe I say this for quite a number of people. We can all care less about if you believe your religion is in whatever glorified state that it is, but your belief doesn't justify the tangible effects your religion radiates on reality. Reality? Yes reality, and not the whimsical suspension of disbelief which religionists downplay themselves which then grants them the glorifying status of "attaining salvation".

Don't blame me for rekindling this fire once again after reading some outrageous news stories. Polygamy and Islamic religious law assimilating into constitution? I think it is enough to exempt me from any definition you'd bother to label me as, and rational enough in the most minimalistic amount to at least value human rights and constitutional value in today's society.

Here
is your compilation of the holiness of the Koran.
And no, I will not accept a potential argument of "well, its another way of saying 'Believe in Allah only'" because the verses constitutes quite well the hatred and intolerance for any other religion that coexists with Islam. If you don't see the key difference of "Believe in Allah" and "Believe in Allah and eradicate all else.", then you are either 12 years old, or drowning in your own tolerance.

Faith, regardless of right and wrong, establishes a notation that is above the characteristics of all else faith offers, that is suspension of disbelief. You are guilty of the same thing whether you are a God-loving pacifist or an Islamic terrorist, guilty of your irrational aspirations to evaluate reveries over reality. If we apply faith into a personal relationship with whatever deity you happen to slobber all over, thats your personal entity. When it falls out of the rings of individualistic circles, what we need is for one radical ignoramus to advocate something blatantly unreasonable which then starts triggering a wildfire of stereotype associated to all members of that religion. Precisely what I am basing my standard argument on, a stereotype. But I do wish this case was all that superficial as an unjustified, baseless, terrorist (Thanks, tha Guardian) and meaningless argument that contains unproven evidence.

Maybe Polygamy and the exploitation of income isn't good enough. How about being convicted by Islamic religious laws in everyday life? Or maybe you'd like to read some supportive comments of religionists who gladly support the death of atheists? Tolerant, aren't they?

Oh and for the sake of repetition, I think I need to inject some clarity into this post. I will not bother with an argument of "you're stereotyping all religion is crazy" because stereotyping is out of the question. We have much bigger problems at hand than your foolish obfuscating tolerance.

Apparently, being audacious is being intolerant of the tolerant.

[Magic187]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Racism is a form of opinion. Opinion is what humans have due to us having a mind that has more capacity than other living beings. Get rid of our opinion, get rid of our mind. Get rid of our mind, and we aren't human.

[devonin]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

Racism is a form of opinion.

It is an opinion based on provably incorrect premises. Thus the conclusion leading from those provably incorrect premises is also incorrect.

Sure you can hold incorrect opinions like "the world is flat" or "the moon is made of cheese" or "gravity doesn't work if I don't want it to" but that doesn't mean anybody should ever be forced to grant such opinions any sortof status.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

The provably incorrect premises are the biological ones, and I doubt many of the racists in the United States still think that there's a biological supremacy of whites.

Like it or not, there is indeed "black culture" and likewise people who hate it. Doing so is but a tiny step from hating the race in general, so small a step that few people notice it and are thus (not inaccurately) labelled racists.

Whether or not black culture is good or bad is certainly not "provably incorrect", and is indeed an individual's opinion.

--Guido

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