Does Racism Have Its Place In Society?

[Ruritsu]

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I can see one way out, but its so far fetched...

Off chance that in the distant future race has "melted" so much (Through interracial children) that one race become indistinguishable from another...

But again, far fetched....

Other than that, it will be here until the end of time...

[Kinspin]

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Racism has always been around but not always in the form that we see it.
I don't know what Darwin could contribute to racism but apparently this guy blames it on the theory of evolution.

[1mpuls3]

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racism will always be here as long as people are here and or have opinions. but on the bright side if there wasn't racism we wouldn't have funny jokes and comedians.

[devonin]

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The human mind groups things that are similar together, (at least in most people.) When we're infants, we learn to group things that look, act, feel, etc. similar, together. For instance, when you think of a bird, you have a mental representation in your head of an iconic bird. However, you KNOW that there are tons of birds that don't fit that picture, like penguins, chickens, ostriches, hummingbirds, etc. That we learn things in such a way is incredibly helpful and in fact, makes humans very smart. For instance, we know that things that are dark in color but turn bright red are usually hot. Do we know that for sure with everything that does that? No. But we make educated guesses. In a crude way, racism stems from the way our mind learns and groups things.

You're suffering under a misapprehension here. There's a difference between thinks like the proper definitions of the words 'discrimination' and 'stereotyping' and 'racism'

Grouping like things together is perfectly reasonable and makes sense, and would in fact apply to all kinds of groups of things including say, people by race, nationality, looks or language.

The difference between that and racism is that you've concluded that having split people into groups, one of those groups is BETTER than the other. That's the ignorant extra step that racists take.

[tsugomaru]

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Where did racism come from? Well, some can argue that it's always been around. Others, like myself, would tend to believe it originated from a misinturpretation of Darwin's Theory on evolution.

Racism has existed long before Darwin was even alive. Although it's been mentioned several times in this thread before, my belief is that racism started from what was once a self defense mechanism. Back thousands of years ago when we were still cavemen, prejudice was one of our survival techniques. So many people assume prejudice is such a bad word when in reality, it's not. All it means is to make an assumption or judgment before confirming it. If a we know some snakes are poisonous and can kill us, we just stay away from snakes. We assume that they are all poisonous and we stay away from them for the sake of our safety. Of course we know now that all snakes are not poisonous, but without knowledge, we assume the safest approach to a snake we find, avoid it.

Of course, the same prejudice was used against other groups of people. If we see another group of people attack our group, of course we are going to hate them. Of course, this seems more like a rivalry between two groups, but as time passes on, one group gains hold of new technology and their way of life becomes what we might call more "sophisticated". The fact that the other group couldn't keep up led to the belief that the other group was dumb, weak, and lesser people. Over generations and generations, this belief becomes so deeply embedded in a society, it's almost accepted as truth.

When we are babies and toddlers, there's no way to prevent us from being prejudice towards another group because that's one of the core skills we use when we grow up. But as we get older, schools and society need to dispel our former methods of thinking and ensure that we don't think one race is better or worse than another because in the end, we are all still people. We are all one race. The people who believe racism exists need to be more educated and it definitely has no place amongst kids, teens, and adults.

But don't take my beliefs for facts because, as I have said, they are just beliefs. I do not know for certain the beginnings of racism.

~Tsugomaru

[foxyroxy2693]

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I've always wondered what it's like to be blind. If you've never seen, you would have not been introduced to the concept of racism to begin with. Not only would you not judge on race, you would not judge on looks- just the person. Maybe I'm just looking at the glass half full from the vision imparied point of few. But just think about it; what would be different in the way we treat people if we had no vision?

[tsugomaru]

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We still have our other four senses to rely on and just like we associate a certain "race" by the color of their skin, we would associate appropriate traits for the senses of hearing, smell, touch, and taste although some of them may be quite weird.

~Tsugomaru

[FF_Poring]

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So, I bring the questino to you, FFR. Does racism have its place on society, or can it ever be completely abolished?

Unless humans undergo some kind of genetic/evolutionary change. Not going to happen.

[Zythus]

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To eradicate racism is to kill everyone in existence until there is one observer left.

Racism is ignorant in the sense that the beholder fails to see the better side of the race he prosecutes, but this is the only preventable form of racism; to educate the ignoramuses and inject some understanding into them.

However, I don't believe that is the case at a fundamental level. Simply put, with preference comes racism. The nature of man goes hand in hand with their prejudices.
As long as you have opinions and choices, you are subjecting others under your scope biased judgment, and racism is just a simple manifestation of that regardless if you are an empathetic or apathetic individual.

Secondly, the western counties boast, encourage, and worst of all, give distinction to multiculturalism. Is this racist? Yes, it is racist, and the biggest racism you are subject to. To purposely distinct between a black person or Chinese person by accommodating their personal and cultural needs are just isolating them further from other races in the same country that view them as "another race".

[Cavernio]

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The difference between that and racism is that you've concluded that having split people into groups, one of those groups is BETTER than the other. That's the ignorant extra step that racists take.

However, even if you're not ignorant, there are facts which DO point out how some races or culturals ARE worse off than others. There are, proportionally, more people living below the poverty line who are non-caucasian in the US. Being poor often means less education means being stupider means more likely to abuse drugs, etc. If you follow this FACT, then your negative prejudgments of any non-caucasian people are totally backed-up.
Then there's also a cultural spin. You just might not like the way people from a certain culture (or country or area), are. They might, in general, have ideals and beliefs way different from your own. Culture and race still go hand in hand (at least, as someone else mentioned, until we're so intermixed that there's no telling one race from another). This in particular seems to not be based on ignorance.

If you choose to not call what I've described above as racism, well, a word is a word. I do, however, think that what I've described above is a problem just as distasteful as racism, and is likely just as common, if not moreso, IMO. And I really would define it as racism. Anyone who thinks that negative treatment of a race has never been justified is living in a black and white world and is ignoring historical facts.

What I'm trying to get across here is that education is not the best way to stop racism, that ignorance is not necessarily the cause. It can be, absolutely, but I think a better way of irradicating it is to teach acceptance, and to not think poorly of people different from you.


"Secondly, the western counties boast, encourage, and worst of all, give distinction to multiculturalism. Is this racist? Yes, it is racist, and the biggest racism you are subject to. To purposely distinct between a black person or Chinese person by accommodating their personal and cultural needs are just isolating them further from other races in the same country that view them as "another race"."

I totally disagree. Treating someone differently based on their needs, ideals and culture is not racism. That is called being respectful, and requires someone with knowledge, ie: the total opposite of ignorance. Viewing them as another 'race' or another culture, I really don't see the problem. There is only a problem when you look down on these people. Do you really want there to only be 1 culture? How mundane and horrible. It's a setting for a sci-fi novel, and totally impossible if you try to force it. Almost every war has been fought over ideals, and someone trying to make people be/do something they don't want.

[tha Guardians]

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Where does the racism hide? In the south (America) it doesn't. It lives in the open, breeding on African Americans. In the north it's more hidden, less people rioting or displaying acts of hate crimes. So many people think it's only white-black. No. Wrong. Racism is common with everyone. Statistically, it falls more under the category of white-black, but it's out there.

I live in North Alabama, and I have few times to never seen racism. Racism is the hate of any type of persons. There is a ton of discrimination, though—namely in black youth and black seniors towards white people. That's not a big issue in my eyes though, and I'm white. Who cares? It's just a bunch of arrogant, ignorant assholes that think they're better than me when I know it's not true.

To look at the bigger picture, racism, bias, discrimination, etc., is very plain toward Muslims and the Middle-East here. In fact, most of the teens I go to school with are terrified of Obama becoming elected, for completely ridiculous reasons (which all come down to ignorance).

I didn't read this thread, and I didn't finish the topic post. I think my 2 cents as well as others' is important, though. It astounds me that racism is still a problem in today's society. Compare racism to anything else we've made progress on, like our technology. We've gone from, "OH LOOK! FLASH MAKE FIRE!!" to "Yeh so, end of the world Wednesday. We're making a black hole. Dueces", but we still struggle to eliminate racism? We may be intelligent (based on our standards), but we are truly feeble-minded.

[Zythus]

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To look at the bigger picture, racism, bias, discrimination, etc., is very plain toward Muslims and the Middle-East here. In fact, most of the teens I go to school with are terrified of Obama becoming elected, for completely ridiculous reasons (which all come down to ignorance).

Ah, here it is. The punchline.

Firstly, Muslim is not a race. It is a religion and an inferior religion. Now, before you subjugate me under your irrational accusations, I'd like to explain why.

If there was one fundamental reason to believe religion, it would be the well being of the human race and not being taught Anti-Semitics from the day you were born, to degrading the gender status of women, or to uphold divine retribution to those believers who has contact with other sects by stoning them to death.

With these transgressive behaviors, they demand more respect for their religion, more respect for their culture, even exercising their inclusiveness by attempting to squeeze their blasphemy into the public school systems. And here you are the Guardians, ignorantly proclaiming the prosecution of Muslims while Europe suffers from hate messages from Muslim fundamentalists who claims that "Allah will rule Europe" and "Die USA Die!".

"Well Zythus, I think you are a racist because you are only talking about the bad side."

For your information, these ridiculous acts are being encouraged and reinforced by the Muslim Council Leader of Britain himself. Forgive my stereotype, but when it is supported by people in power, things are guaranteed to happen, such as statistical evidence that more Muslim women are being raped due to not wearing their head scarf.

This is an example of crime. Not irrational racism. It is racist when the victim race has not disturbed the natural conformity, does not any negative effects on things they touch. In this case, it is blatantly flagrant that human rights violations are being done due to some fanatical and disgusting dogma. This is not about religion anymore, nor race, it is our well being that is being compromised.

Do not ever make your ignorant radical claims without research. Not everything is equal like it is drilled into our minds by multicultural-supporting governments who got themselves in the mess they are in now, just because they were too tolerant.


It is inferior.

[Bojack2424]

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Racism wont go away. Never will. I say, "deal with it". If your one of those people who think they can stop it in some way...well good luck (not saying give-up or anything) -_- I stopped fighting it..whenever someone calls me a "******" i still remember that its just a "word". Dont let stuff like that get you down.


(no i didnt read the entire thread..but this is what i believe)

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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ug, i wanna express my opinion, but what i have to say may be highly offensive to some, so i rather not. All i will say is it will never go away until we all turn the same color. I am thinking like red or something. XD

[devonin]

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Zythus, watch your mouth. It can be your -opinion- to support the arguements you've tried to put forward here. However, you present these things as fact which they are not.

There is a certain standard in this forum, you're crossing some lines here. What you posted is so close to getting a racism ban, I'm shocked you thought you could get away with it. Consider yourself warned.