What is the absolute limit?

**GregHead** · 12-1-2004, 08:16 AM

I don't know if this rumour has any truth to it, but people were saying that The Legend of Max was going to be 400 BPM ('coincidentally' you can recreate that by playing the song at 1.2x music). Konami decided it was too hard and slowed it down

That's 13.33 steps a second, not to mention the jumps mixed in there which would really make it hard to follow.

I think this could be true because you'll notice there are no half-beat steps to jumps (or jumps to half-beat steps)... but it would really by pushing the limit. Er... try it on Stepmania and see how you do (TLOM 1.2x music)

Incidentally, Maxx Unlimited Heavy (320 BPM) has a few half-beat steps to jumps (that's a step to a jump seperated by less than a tenth of a second), and in Standard Single it even ends with two jumps that are a half-beat apart (similar to having quarter beats running at 21.33 Steps a second!) However, the jumps were both left/right so you didn't have to move like you do in the streams we're talking about.

As for streams where you actually have to move around, I personally can keep up Max 300 but not Maxx Unlimited, so I can't give a solid opinion.[/b]

**Anuj** · 12-1-2004, 09:16 AM

Max 300 isn't continuous 8ths at 300 bpm though... if it was, it would be a lot harder

**Novacaine** · 12-3-2004, 04:55 PM

YA it is U moron are you serious?
Max300 has more continous 8th note streams than like any song in the game besides max period.
Anyway I kno for a fact 11's are possible Infact ive beatin one- Neomax the one by DM ashura on the stepmania hookup. Cant beat Omega I think thats the absolute limit Its way harder than Neo max U have to be in really tip top shape to have enough energy just to finish like 3/4 of it and thats if you get that far.Id say its about a 12/13step and yes I believe it is possible tho.

**Anuj** · 12-3-2004, 07:57 PM

You IDIOT Neomax is a PISS easy stepfile... it shouldn't even be an 11 footer... On the first day I EVER beat max 300, I A'd neomax... You cant EVEN compare quasar and neomax...

**Nima** · 12-4-2004, 01:32 AM

neomax is piss easy... people can AAA that no problem on pad. And max300 is like 1/2 300bpm 4th and like only MAYBE 1/2 8ths which is piss easy.

**Novacaine** · 12-4-2004, 08:40 AM

R u sure ur talking about the right Neo max
Theres like 4 differnet ones. ANd yea it shoud be an 11 its harde rthan PSMO.

**tsutter** · 12-4-2004, 08:45 AM

Novacaine, type correctly, for Gods' sake man. Max300 isn't continuous as Anuj said, if it was it would be way harder.

Anyway, a friend of mine passed Pandemonium oni (I don't know if it's the same one you're all talking about though...it has like mines and crap and it's 13 foot)...and I don't think you could do anything much faster than that.

**Anuj** · 12-4-2004, 11:54 AM

Yeah tsutter... its the same one we're talking about.... Cynic A'd that on vid... long time ago...

But damn, your friend must be awesome if he passed it...

**Nima** · 12-4-2004, 09:31 PM

people can go quite a bit faster than pandemonium oni... but not the songs you mentioned

**Novacaine** · 12-5-2004, 02:26 PM

The Neo max im talking about is the one with the green background and goes 340. Its by DM ashura and it has no mines. At the beginning it slows down to like 85 or somethin and has streams of 1/32 then speeds up to 170 and 1/16ths then speeds up to 340. It has 914 steps and thats about as descriptive as I can get. and PSMO stands for
Paranoia Survivor 290 on Oni or challenge.

**GregHead** · 12-6-2004, 01:18 PM

Technically, whether if it's possible to do something with 8 steps in a row it should be possible to do the same thing 800 times in a row... just a lot harder and a lot more tiring.

Also, we have to pay attention to the types of steps

48484848 is easy
48264826 is harder
48468628 is harder still (well... at least more confusing)
42624262 whoa that's even harder
42684268 Oh my, that is much harder

I'm assuming we're going with the second and third types.

IF we went with the first, then we can start talkin about Maximizer, which is all in all, a pretty easy (but very fun and catchy IMO) song.