Our actions: "Free Will" or "Determined?"

[blahblah18]

i wasn't bashing, just joking around and saying the thread shoudl be locked...
Q hit the important part of your post on the nose here, although he makes everything into an economists perspective this is much more a psychologist's perspective, and you have to look at the idea of positive punishment vs positive reinforcement, which is whats happeneingm, i'll psot more later

[The_Q]

RE: Q

It's Critical THINKING not Critical FLAMERS. Any issues I have with the arguement stay in the arguement. Doing anything personally is just...not professional.

I'm rather upset with you guys. Even you, Aedak. You did it too.
Q

[RoboTLee]

RE: Q

Rofl, you make a good point Q. It does seem as though this is no longer a duscussion as much as it is a contest.

[buttonkiller]

what if your brainwashed and you make an action is that free will what you just did or determinism or determined w/e it is

[Kilgamayan]

It's funny how Aedek completely disregarded Guido's posts, because Guido was dead-on.

I think Aedek is confusing the state of addiction with the act of inflicting oneself with the disease. Getting addicted to something is a choice, not a disease - I can choose to take up alcohol or to not take up alcohol. However, the state of addiction is a disease in and of itself. It's no longer your conscious decision to want what you're addicted to, like nicotene or caffiene or what-have-you - your body requires it, and your consciousness doesn't have a say in the matter.

Note that I'm only saying the state of addiction is a disease; fulfilling that addiction is a choice. Just because someone is addicted to alcohol doesn't mean they can't not drink it.

[Aedak]

what if your brainwashed and you make an action is that free will what you just did or determinism or determined w/e it is

I don't understand why you posted here buttonkiller.

Kilga, I've made all my points very clear. This discussion is over.

By the way guys, I've read some of mwerp's posts. This guy is much more of an arrogant asshole than me.. though I am one it is true. This guy is even more full of himself though, by a long shot.

[ViVre]

the 'destiny' factor has always been thought of throughout the centuries... but, there's the rape/abortion that really throws both sides out of whack.

example:

the girl you accidently get pregnent because you were stupid, she has two choices, abort, or raise it, based on today's standards.

let's say she aborts it. What makes life really interesting, is that she could've aborted a bum, or she could've aborted this kid's son's daughter's daughter's daughter, who would be the first woman president of the united states. Which will forever make you wonder, if you hear about a 3 year old death, if they could've been somewhat more....

~signed, Neo

[Aedak]

All this talk about "could have." I don't think it makes any difference unless it does happen. What if's don't matter at all in this world because once something happens it's done.. not worth wondering "what if?".

[ViVre]

ever watched the terminator saga? the 'could have' kinda is important then, isnt it? probably not a good example, but, the 'could have' plays a key role, because the son, of a diner working low income woman, happens to be the one who 'saves us all' in the robot war. consider rethinking Aedak. it kinda takes an imagination, but, i think you'll see

[Aedak]

ever watched the terminator saga? the 'could have' kinda is important then, isnt it? probably not a good example, but, the 'could have' plays a key role, because the son, of a diner working low income woman, happens to be the one who 'saves us all' in the robot war. consider rethinking Aedak. it kinda takes an imagination, but, i think you'll see

I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You're telling me to drop my beliefs because someday we might have to fight robots... laughable...

There are a few reasons this doesn't change my mind.

First of all, this is a movie series. Movies aren't real, they're created by people with great imaginations. Many times these people aren't the brightest either, and when you review a movie (in your own head) you see the fatal flaws and errors. That's one problem with being an intellectual, you tend to overanalyze things too much and sometimes it takes you away from the experience of the movie. =/

Secondly, time travel isn't possible, so the 'what if' doesn't matter. What's done is done.

Thirdly, if by some chance we do create giant killer robots someday, it's probably not going to be within my lifetime.

[blahblah18]

So 2 idiots walk into a forum and...
Damn I forgot the punchline

[The_Q]

Could happen is not will happen. There is no reason to prepare for giant robot wars in the near future just because it can happen. It's just too unlikely.

Back on topic: Wait, there is none anymore. We have cleared up that although addiction is a disease, it is choice that brings your there, and is therefore influenced by behavior (although the disease controls the behavior very well). Although this is good to know, we've known it for a while. Why not just let the topic get locked and move along?

Q