Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

you can still do the same pattern you had with the 16th, but use 12ths instead.

Same pattern but with 12ths: so it'd be LLDLL, etc. since the jacks obviously start on the 4th notes?

Is this accurate?:

http://i36.tinypic.com/4lmzyg.jpg

It was by Patashu. I haven't tried it yet though. I thought I remember hearing the jacks starting on the 4ths.

[EnR]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

that looks better, not sure if that 16th part is there though.

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

that looks better, not sure if that 16th part is there though.

So they're all 12ths then, correct? Also, doesn't the jack start on the 4th note (unlike the pic)?

[Patashu]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

that looks better, not sure if that 16th part is there though.

the 16th part is there

it's 12ths interspersed with slightly faster bursts which sound roughly 16th speed

LLLDLLL go up and down LLLDLL 16th part LLLDLLL go up and down etc
and no the jacks do not both start on 4ths, the second 4th in each measure separates both jacks

[omgitznpv]

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N.T.M.- I hate saying this, but trust me, I know what I'm saying. Your layering was very inconsistent, and often you weren't layering in the file at all. Look- if the guitar is like 16ths or something and the drums are 16ths, it doesn't mean you shouldn't layer or something like that. You can follow main beats from the harmony or the rhythm or the lead guitar or something. I don't remember what it was like too well. Also, the transitions didn't have to do with the layering.

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

the 16th part is there

it's 12ths interspersed with slightly faster bursts which sound roughly 16th speed

LLLDLLL go up and down LLLDLL 16th part LLLDLLL go up and down etc
and no the jacks do not both start on 4ths, the second 4th in each measure separates both jacks

Perhaps it was those 16th that mislead me. And thanks a lot man for helping me out. I appreciate it!

N.T.M.- I hate saying this, but trust me, I know what I'm saying. Your layering was very inconsistent, and often you weren't layering in the file at all. Look- if the guitar is like 16ths or something and the drums are 16ths, it doesn't mean you shouldn't layer or something like that. You can follow main beats from the harmony or the rhythm or the lead guitar or something. I don't remember what it was like too well. Also, the transitions didn't have to do with the layering.

Like I said in the description, I know it was inconsistent. You'll see I'll layer the drums with the guitar, but once the guitar gets more complex I'll switch JUST to guitar. What should I have done? If I included the drums all the time things would look very sloppy IMO and it'd be tough to "feel" the guitar.

Also, is the beat offset -02.0? Or what was it you said it was, Patashu? I forgot. You're certain, right?

Oh and I'm gonna go delete the sim right now until it's better. And those jacks at the end are gonna be configured kinda like Omegaspike's TTFAF intro if you know what I mean. That'd be better.

[Lain_Iwakura]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

just let glove step dream theater sims

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

just let glove step dream theater sims

I am for now. Besides with such a great amount of skittle notes I bet the DDream program (or whatever it is) would be required in finding the correct steps.

[omgitznpv]

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not really syncing dream theatre is easy as hell

your just not ready yet so yeah

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

not really syncing dream theatre is easy as hell

your just not ready yet so yeah

lol well thanks! I'm sure it's not really that easy though.

Well I revised my DF sim. I fixed the beat offset (thanks, Patashu!), added the 12ths, and converted those jacks at the end into trills like TTFAF. This IS NOT the final version though. I'm still gonna change a few things.

Regarding the 12ths: you really have to listen carefully at parts cuz it almost sounds like nothing's there. Also, there aren't any 16ths in there IMO.

Regarding the just-added 24th trill near the intro: it's VERY hard to hear, but it actually is 24ths. There are two sounds layered on top of each other. There's an 8th note gap, then 24ths.

Link (again, not finished): http://www.bemanistyle.com/sims/simfile.php?id=25046

Step chart: http://www.bemanistyle.com/parser/ge...g=1&note=type2

Parts still need to be improved, but still big improvement.

[Patashu]

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Regarding the 12ths: you really have to listen carefully at parts cuz it almost sounds like nothing's there. Also, there aren't any 16ths in there IMO.

There's something fast-sounding there. Check on a lower rate.

[N.T.M.]

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There's something fast-sounding there. Check on a lower rate.

It may be. I'm not 100% sure. Like I said, I'm still gonna change parts. Did you play it? What do you think I should do to improve it more aside from changing some of the jacks 'n' stuff (minor things)? Overall patterns good? Aside from the drums there's an additional quieter ticking sound. Should I layer that over the guitar if it doesn't result in "overstepping" it?

*edit* More improvements, but still not done:

http://www.bemanistyle.com/sims/simfile.php?id=25046

Most of the solo was very fluent, but there were a few parts that weren't. All but one has been corrected.

Also some pitch issues were corrected.

Chart: http://www.bemanistyle.com/parser/ge...g=1&note=type2

If you guys wanna play it now to see the progress, go ahead. But if you wait a bit longer a few more things will be improved.

Since I've been revising it there have been (by this point) a lot of improvements. I'll try to get that last solo section tomorrow.

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

Revised further:

Huge improvement:

So I went over everything but with just 1/2 normal speed. Things sounded so weird but I was able to catch every single note transition. I was also able to pay attention to pitch a lot easier. When it's in standard speed the pitch can be very misleading. I caught all the errors and restructured all areas necessary. Overall huge improvement.

I'll probably make a few more minor changes, but other than that, it's all done:

http://www.bemanistyle.com/sims/simfile.php?id=25046

Chart: http://www.bemanistyle.com/parser/ge...g=1&note=type2

I'm gonna slow things down and confirm those 24th trills near the intro too. They're just so tough to hear.

[omgitznpv]

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oh- i know i sound really rude and everything in my posts, but i'm not really trying to be a jackass. just the way i am haha don't take anything i say too seriously

if i can find time i'll play the newer versions and comment on them.

[N.T.M.]

Re: Any good unstepped Dream Theatre sims

oh- i know i sound really rude and everything in my posts, but i'm not really trying to be a jackass. just the way i am haha don't take anything i say too seriously

if i can find time i'll play the newer versions and comment on them.

OK, man. The beat offset has been corrected along with those 12ths. I also slowed things way down in the solo and changed some things.

Here, watch this (fraps makes it lag tho):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4RrnfXQtNA

Regarding pitch: in the places where pitch difference was clear I put the lower pitches to the left and visa versa. Same with all the holds throughout the song. Most of the holds in the solo were just different-sounding, so I didn't do much with them regarding placement.

*edit* Revised further:

So I got that half-speed technique for finding the sync in the solo and applied it to any other questionable areas. I found out that those two long trills in the intro are actually 24ths!!! The second starts off with 16ths but quickly converts to 24ths. And those faster background notes that get drowned out don't layer with the stepped beats at all. Them being drowned out works perfectly.

That may have been my final revision. If not the last thing will be very minor.

*edit again* I forgot to post the revised chart: http://www.bemanistyle.com/parser/ge...g=1&note=type2