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  • Cursebred
    FFR Player
    • Jul 2008
    • 152

    #196
    Re: The Death Penalty

    It is actually difficult to say. The death penalty would work as karma. HOWEVER, you have to actually prove that the crime was done by this person, ensuring whether or not they are innocent or guilty. If they are guilty, and the crime was murder, then I say go ahead. But I voted "no" because it may not be effective if a person was put to death for another person. No one should be on Death Row, because being assigned a day to die should not happen, when they could just leave them there for life, to rot in prison anyway.

    I mean, they invented the lie detector (whatever the scientific word for it is) in order to detect the changes in blood pressure caused by the uneasiness of lying. However, it is not used for those accused for a crime as extreme as death, as well as placing people on death row that are innocent. If they aren't given the chance to prove that they are not lying about the crime that they were accused of, then they could be put to death in place of the actual murderer.

    The system was developed to help improve the community to remove people that try to bring down the name of the society. Instead, they are not investigating far enough to say who is the actual person that committed the crime. Think about it logically, shows like CSI and Law & Order are not cut out for what it is in real life. I mean, you see more reality in crime solving in Scooby Doo. Because the suspicions of one person does not mean that they are the guilty one.

    You actually have to go deeper than what suspicions or tests show you. If they were to say: "'Person x' was killed by 'Object y', and the fingerprints or blood from 'Person z' is on the body of Person x after we ran tests." Now you see that is how they do it in the shows and the movies. In an actual scenario, they are starting to do that as well, because they do not want to take all the time they have to go deep enough into the crime to figure out who actually committed the crime. It's like a game of Clue. They accuse someone of a crime, and each person finds some way to prove why they were either innocent, or which instrument was used, and where. They already know the instrument used, and where. But do they know the person? The system just finds the person that they suspect the most of the crime, and then put them in prison and Death Row without a single chance.

    This is why the death penalty system is extremely flawed, and should be removed, if not fixed in any way. Even the most innocent of people get screwed over by the system because of suspicions that they never bothered to think through. If they have an alibi, and the lie detector is used and proves that they are not lying about what happened and where they were at the time. Then they should be let go. If things were like they were in the Old West, it would be easier to find someone, because there are usually witnesses as to what went on because they did nearly everything publicly. And they already knew their man. Even if they didn't, they were located in an open area, with towns so far away from each other, that they would have to come back to town eventually. So, they could easily find the person who ran away as they came back, with a witness to any previous crime able to point them out.

    It's not that easy anymore. So, each person on Death Row should get a chance to show they are innocent, unless someone can actually point them out because they know what happened, where it happened, and who did it.

    That is all.

    - Cursebred

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    That is all.

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    • tha Guardians
      MCDC 2011
      • Nov 2006
      • 1680

      #197
      Re: The Death Penalty

      Originally posted by rzr
      Why would it matter what the family thought? I mean, it sucks for them, yes. But, think about the family of the person who was murdered.

      Oh, sorry. That's what I meant.
      I guess I phrased it wrong.

      Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
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      • Kynosaur
        FFR Veteran
        • May 2008
        • 678

        #198
        Re: The Death Penalty

        Why should we decide who lives and who dies? IMHO it shouldn't be a human right.

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        • Mjosue
          FFR Player
          • Jul 2008
          • 29

          #199
          Re: The Death Penalty

          the death penalty is the best way for certin situations like if that person kills another then that person must face the penalty so bad karma pretty much

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          • rzr
            TWG Veteran
            • Oct 2007
            • 7608

            #200
            Re: The Death Penalty

            Originally posted by Kynosaur
            Why should we decide who lives and who dies? IMHO it shouldn't be a human right.
            Why? The murderer decided that his/her victim's life was no longer valid. S/He's just as human as we are. Does that mean that the murderer has more of the right to judge who can live and who can't than a twelve person unbiased jury?
            Last edited by rzr; 07-25-2008, 03:32 AM.

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            • devonin
              Very Grave Indeed
              Event Staff
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Apr 2004
              • 10120

              #201
              Re: The Death Penalty

              Why? The murderer decided that his/her victim's life was no longer valid. S/He's just as human as we are. Does that mean that the murderer has more of the right to judge who can live and who can't than a twelve person unbiased jury?
              So your solution is "If a murderer is allowed to decide that someone else's right to life is unimportant, surely we also have the right to decide someone else's life is unimportant"? I find that ridiculous. The answer is: "Nobody has the right to decide someone else's life is unimportant" and that extends to the killer, who had no right to kill someone; and to the people in the justice system, who have no right to kill the criminal.

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              • NFD
                FFR Player
                • Nov 2007
                • 4715

                #202
                Re: The Death Penalty

                Also, the cost to give somebody the death penalty is quite a sum compared to just giving them life in prison.

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                • tha Guardians
                  MCDC 2011
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1680

                  #203
                  Re: The Death Penalty

                  Originally posted by devonin
                  So your solution is "If a murderer is allowed to decide that someone else's right to life is unimportant, surely we also have the right to decide someone else's life is unimportant"? I find that ridiculous. The answer is: "Nobody has the right to decide someone else's life is unimportant" and that extends to the killer, who had no right to kill someone; and to the people in the justice system, who have no right to kill the criminal.

                  I don't think that was the point he was trying to make.
                  He's opposing the death penalty in his post because he opposes the right to kill others. He doesn't think it any fairer to kill a murderer than for a murderer to kill his victim.

                  He did not say it was a right of the murderer to kill in the first place. Either you overlooked part of his post or your trying to twist his words.

                  Neither of your outlooks are really important to me, I was just trying to clear a misunderstanding.

                  Personally, I think the murderer should choose his form of punishment, whether it be prison, death, or any reasonable justification.

                  Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
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                  • devonin
                    Very Grave Indeed
                    Event Staff
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 10120

                    #204
                    Re: The Death Penalty

                    He didn't say it was right of the murderer to kill. What he -did- say was "Does that mean that the murderer has more of the right to judge who can live and who can't than a twelve person unbiased jury?"

                    The blatant implication of that statement is "If the murderer can kill people, then the justice system can also kill people"

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                    • tha Guardians
                      MCDC 2011
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1680

                      #205
                      Re: The Death Penalty

                      Originally posted by devonin
                      He didn't say it was right of the murderer to kill. What he -did- say was "Does that mean that the murderer has more of the right to judge who can live and who can't than a twelve person unbiased jury?"

                      The blatant implication of that statement is "If the murderer can kill people, then the justice system can also kill people"

                      In a roundabout way, maybe. Either way, it's irrelevant. He doesn't believe in the right to kill, whether it be a person or a group of people.

                      2 + 2 = 4
                      -2 + -2 = -4

                      2 + 2 ≠ -2 + -2

                      Just because he believes that a jury has the same right to kill as a person does, doesn't mean that he believes either have the right to kill.

                      Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                      can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                      Originally posted by Synthlight
                      I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                      Cheers,

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                      • devonin
                        Very Grave Indeed
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                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 10120

                        #206
                        Re: The Death Penalty

                        Except he clearly does, as he's been in support of the death penalty for the whole discussion.

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                        • tha Guardians
                          MCDC 2011
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1680

                          #207
                          Re: The Death Penalty

                          Originally posted by devonin
                          Except he clearly does, as he's been in support of the death penalty for the whole discussion.
                          Oh, my bad.
                          He clearly supports murder.

                          Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                          can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                          Originally posted by Synthlight
                          I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                          Cheers,

                          Synthlight

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                          • tuv
                            FFR Player
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 188

                            #208
                            Re: The Death Penalty

                            I would much rather be killed then serving the remainder off my years in the torture of prison. So I think your doing the criminals a favor by ending it much sooner.

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                            • tha Guardians
                              MCDC 2011
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 1680

                              #209
                              Re: The Death Penalty

                              Originally posted by tuv
                              I would much rather be killed then serving the remainder off my years in the torture of prison. So I think your doing the criminals a favor by ending it much sooner.

                              I completely agree. Life in prison is life spent miserably and life wasted.

                              Originally posted by sonic-fast-fingers
                              can someone clarrify what QFT means my friend told me its quit ****ing talking, but im not 100 percent sure

                              Originally posted by Synthlight
                              I need a car that drives itself completely automated and I want it for free and it needs infinite gas mileage.

                              Cheers,

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                              • Soul Slayer
                                FFR Player
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 54

                                #210
                                Re: The Death Penalty

                                An eye for an eye.

                                And I have to agree with tuv. Even though the death penalty is meant to torture them, it is actually helping them. Also, recent studies show that death row inmates are more likely to be well-behaved in prison, because they have nothing left to fight for.

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