The Great PA Tournament Of FFR - Round 2

[xplayfan]

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[Nu0n]

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This song is really annoying.

[funmonkey54]

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This at least gets me past to the next round. I will improve if absolutely necessary.

[MystictheHedgehog]

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Actually if you think its how much effort you put into the tournament to get such nice prizes, then your wrong, then where did your experience come from? You spend time getting better at the game so you can apply yourself in a tournament. When you apply your experience, sometimes you are rewarded for it. Its not just how much effort one put into a tournament. Dont exclude the outside experience in the game from the tournament. Its based off your experience you played in the game. Obviously it requires more effort to get better.

to sum it up: Effort your willing to put in the game-> Gaining experience from the game-> better job in a tournament-> Higher credit prizes BECAUSE of your effort.

Let me sum up what you are saying.

Hey, masters deserve more credits because they have spent probably more time in the game overall. Hey, too bad if you are new, and you haven't had the time to get as good as others. Or hey if this is your first tourny, too bad. It's your own fault for not being part of the game sooner, or finding the site sooner. It doesn't matter you actually have to put forth several hours more effort just to get a decent score just to get you into contention for a prize, your prize will be less because Advanced play harder songs that some of them have to put forth barely any effort to AAA their song.

Makes perfect sense. Sorry, sticking with Hammy on this one. Just because they are in beginner doesn't mean they spend any less effort on getting a good score than any other division.

Would it make more sense to have a noob receive more credit prizes then the master? Where has the masters work gone then?

It was already stated that they are aiming to reward based on the EFFORT IN THIS TOURNAMENT. Think about it. Who puts in more effort? A beginner who spends 3 hours just to get an 11 good run, or a master who AAA's their song in one shot. I'm not taking anything away from what the masters are able to accomplish, don't get me wrong. I could never hope to accomplish what they can do. But how can you fault someone who spends so long just trying to get a good score in the game? Effort is evenly divided in this tournament. There is always someone working just as hard in one division as the other. Therefore, prizes should be evenly dispersed. Masters have spent more time overall, yes. No one is disagreeing with that statement. Beginner's are just getting started, and some haven't had the time or been part of the site long enough to be equal with a master. Stop trying to fault them for that.

[[HectoGtzMX]]

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This sucks, I can't play FGO's without lagging, so I might be out this round. Thanks for moving me up -__-;

[HammyMcSquirrel]

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Okay well I can elaborate on that statement. "The better you do on a song, the more credits you get." Therefore, if you're better, you'll get more credits.

So you deserve more credits in this tournament because you are better at the game? I'm trying to point out equality amongst the players in the form of these rewards because of their equal effort. I'm saying that I'm rewarding people's effort put into this tournament. Not to reward what happened before this tournament's life, but the effort that would be put in within this tournament. With the other credit reward system, we didn't want people to deserve more credits simply because they were better. We wanted to reward equal effort. (Yes, I'm going to be repeating this a lot, too.)

Actually if you think its how much effort you put into the tournament to get such nice prizes, then your wrong, then where did your experience come from? You spend time getting better at the game so you can apply yourself in a tournament. When you apply your experience, sometimes you are rewarded for it. Its not just how much effort one put into a tournament. Dont exclude the outside experience in the game from the tournament. Its based off your experience you played in the game. Obviously it requires more effort to get better.

to sum it up: Effort your willing to put in the game-> Gaining experience from the game-> better job in a tournament-> Higher credit prizes BECAUSE of your effort.

Okay, I understand what you mean with "more effort in the past = more experience, and therefore should give you more of a reward." I think of this tournament as rewarding the people for what they achieved during the duration of its life. You're thinking of it as rewarding people for what they achieved beforehand and up to this point.

I already said that the basis of similar credit prizes was that it would be rewarding equal effort that would be put in per division. I'm not excluding outside experience from the game, but I am showing you the perspective of having more equality between the players because of how effort is relative to skill. The awards from this tournament are to award the people for the tasks they completed during the tournament. It's not some huge reward for all their achievements in their FFR career. (Hey, look. I'm repeating things again.)

Youve' repeated "The effort the beginners put in could be just as great as the effort the masters" alot of times.

Because I wanted to get it across to you. The more you repeat things, the easier people remember.

Ill have to correct you and say that effort is used to gain experience. experience gained (from effort) is used during the tournament.

Good players-put in alot of effort to obtain there experience
newbies-didnt put in as much as the good players to gain experience (but are atleast working on it)

If you say both master and noob put in the same amount of effort, they would have the same amount of experience. (impossible) so the master has more experience (from the effort) then the noob, therefore, more credits are given to the master for his experience (from his effort). Experience has a value.

Would it make more sense to have a noob receive more credit prizes then the master? Where has the masters work gone then?

The conflict here is that we are looking at this from two different ways. You want to essentially reward people for their effort in the past to get here. I want to reward people for their work done during the tournament's life. (Repeat, repeat, repeat, etc.)

I'm not saying your viewpoint is wrong, btw. What I wanted you (and Sprite, etc) to see was that the original scenario we had set up with the credit reward system is justifiable. I really was aiming towards equality in effort = equality in reward during this tournament, but whatever. (Repeat...)

Now, let's just stop talking about this. Sprite complained and got his way, so everybody else that was with him...just be happy, haha. If I really was so hardcore determined to have credits be the same for each division, I wouldn't have changed it in the first place. I would have just said, "Screw all of you. You're not running it. Cry me a river." I changed it because the only people that were caring about it were the people complaining. I made it better, now. Time for us to drop it.

This sucks, I can't play FGO's without lagging, so I might be out this round. Thanks for moving me up -__-;

You're welcome, Mr. My average rank is less than 6. =P

[XUioX]

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Let me sum up what you are saying.

Hey, masters deserve more credits because they have spent probably more time in the game overall. Hey, too bad if you are new, and you haven't had the time to get as good as others. Or hey if this is your first tourny, too bad. It's your own fault for not being part of the game sooner, or finding the site sooner. It doesn't matter you actually have to put forth several hours more effort just to get a decent score just to get you into contention for a prize, your prize will be less because Advanced play harder songs that some of them have to put forth barely any effort to AAA their song.

Thats partially what i'm saying!

Don't forget that all those masters have spent there time in the site, just earlier then others. Everyone has a fair chance ya know. Let the noobs spend there time getting more experience, and gaining smaller prizes, then they move up to master prizes. Its based on there valuable experience.

Just like me, i spent my time at the site as a noob, getting small prizes, but now that i've gotten a bit better, prizes are given to you because of your valuable experience.

EXPERIENCE IS VALUABLE IN FFR


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The conflict here is that we are looking at this from two different ways. You want to essentially reward people for their effort in the past to get here. I want to reward people for their work done during the tournament's life.

I'm not saying your viewpoint is wrong, btw. What I wanted you (and Sprite, etc) to see was that the original scenario we had set up with the credit reward system is justifiable. I really was aiming towards equality in effort = equality in reward during this tournament, but whatever.

Well then obviously we have 2 different views. I wouldn't say there wrong. Because if i was put in a higher devision, i wouldnt be as good, BUT if i put more effort on a score, then i would probably be caught up with everyone in the devision. What sucks is, that some have to put more effort to catch up then others in the tournament. With that being said, your right, its pointless to continue, we can drop it now. =)

[HammyMcSquirrel]

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RAWR!

*resists temptation to repeat...*

I'm going to do an update.

[Gun92]

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Now, let's just stop talking about this.

Thats partially what i'm saying!

Don't forget that all those masters have spent there time in the site, just earlier then others. Everyone has a fair chance ya know. Let the noobs spend there time getting more experience, and gaining smaller prizes, then they move up to master prizes. Its based on there valuable experience.

Just like me, i spent my time at the site as a noob, getting small prizes, but now that i've gotten a bit better, prizes are given to you because of your valuable experience.

EXPERIENCE IS VALUABLE IN FFR


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Well then obviously we have 2 different views. I wouldn't say there wrong. Because if i was put in a higher devision, i wouldnt be as good, BUT if i put more effort on a score, then i would probably be caught up with everyone in the devision. What sucks is, that some have to put more effort to catch up then others in the tournament. With that being said, your right, its pointless to continue, we can drop it now. =)

Heed the squirrels warning, he will throw nuts at you >.>

[Fantasticone]

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Um, us good players matter more then the millions of bad ones and would not like equal pay. Thankyou.

[MystictheHedgehog]

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Yeah, agree'd with dropping this. We don't need this turning into the SSBB thread. Also Hammy, while your updating, I'm pretty sure Netjet's 7 good run beat my 8 good run....unfortunately.

[XUioX]

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Um, us good players matter more then the millions of bad ones and would not like equal pay. Thankyou.

Indeed

[Loot You]

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Um, us good players matter more then the millions of bad ones and would not like equal pay. Thankyou.

who cares about credits i wouldnt even want the prize

[XUioX]

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who cares about credits i wouldnt even want the prize

But credit prizes are the main goal of the tournament, why else would you want to play in it lol XD

[Loot You]

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honor and grory for my famiry