The Death Penalty

[devonin]

Re: The Death Penalty

I mean, duh, they're going to want revenge. I would too. I would swear it too. But I sure as hell would never commit the same crime again.

Huzzah, we've replaced say...someone's willingness to kill a person who was ragging on them, and publically provoking them with someone's willingness to murder your entire family to get revenge for what you did to them. This seems like not a good trade off.

[rzr]

Re: The Death Penalty

Seems like someone took my post out of context

[devonin]

Re: The Death Penalty

Well, assuming I grant that you're correct (which I dont) and the horrible torture was enough to make someone not do the same crime again, you pretty much explicitly stated "Instead they'll do something worse" which seems to indicate that it's a bad plan.

The important thing to realise is that I'm pretty sure almost anybody will agree that any punishment that doesn't include being killed is better than a punishment where you are killed, and yet places with the death penalty have no lower a rate of crimes for which the penalty can be death than anywhere else.

If "If you do this we'll -kill- you" isn't a deterrant, why should "If you do this, we'll hurt you really badly" going to be more of one?

[tsugomaru]

Re: The Death Penalty

Deterrents do not work for the people who do commit murder. Sure, it prevents people from murdering left and right, but it won't actually stop the person who's committing murder when they actually commit murder.

~Tsugomaru

[rzr]

Re: The Death Penalty

On the contrary. I'm saying they will no longer commit large scale crimes. They would perhaps litter, steal a pack of gum, or rip the tag off their mattress. But a tortured criminal will not murder, rape, rob, etc again.

[devonin]

Re: The Death Penalty

But a tortured criminal will not murder, rape, rob, etc again.

Prove it.

[heyitsmee]

Re: The Death Penalty

we dont have it over here
the only Death Penalty was that of Adolf Otto Eichmann

[xinpig]

Re: The Death Penalty

Serial killers are already unstable torturing them in hopes that it will "fix" them will not even change them. on the contrary it would only make them more prone to attacking again but doing that in the name of revenge.

[rzr]

Re: The Death Penalty

Give me someone to kill, opportunity, and the guarantee I won't get caught. Do the torture. I'll be glad to prove it
Just one thing first. I pick the person

[xinpig]

Re: The Death Penalty

What the... but no seriously the method of killing aside i think that we should have the death penalty in some form. people who commit violent crimes need to be punished for their evil deeds no matter how the act was committed even if it be by accident.

[rzr]

Re: The Death Penalty

That's true but the accident thing... I mean, we do have no way to prove if it was or wasn't an accident.

[devonin]

Re: The Death Penalty

guarantee I won't get caught. Do the torture.

These two conditions are mutually exclusive.

[rzr]

Re: The Death Penalty

I feel like making a hypothetical "
dee-dee-dee" sound to you but where are we going with this?

[Zythus]

Re: The Death Penalty

Death Penalty is quite absolute. Black and white, alive and dead.

"Some Form" does not imply in any way.

[devonin]

Re: The Death Penalty

I feel like making a hypothetical "
dee-dee-dee" sound to you but where are we going with this?

You made a claim.

I asked you to support your claim with evidence.

You said you could show me proof provided we put you in a logically impossible situation.

I'm assuming therefore that you actually have no such evidence, and we can carry on with other aspects of the discussion.