The Desire for an Apocalypse?

[afronova1127]

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What kind of crazed world does your "friend" live in?

She's not my friend, I disagree with her, Laura D. is my friend...
Another thing is that people who are part of animal programs like PETA are standing for what seems to be an innocent cause but it is actually horrible they way they achieve this. People protest outside rescue shelter directors houses and protest that animals are being killed, well yeah they're being killed, there just aren't enough resources to help these animals but they are still busting their asses to help as many as they can. What are they supposed to do? Let the animals out? That's the goal of the ALF and they're just crazy (they set buildings on fire to free animals). You're risking the lives of thinking people for a cat or dog, yeah it's sad they have to die but no form of animal killing is friendly, a wolf can chase a baby sheep for two hours for finally plunging it down and devouring it.
A little off topic but yeah...

[argo15]

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Besides we already have more chickens than people, if we didn't kill them, there'd be a whole lot of chickens.

Reading this. I think our overgrowing population is because of our position on the food chain. What if we destroyed all intelligent weapons in the world? Then released visious man-hungry animals into our citys and neighborhoods. Our population would natural decrease, because there is so much food for these animals who our higher than us on the food chain. Eventually as our population decreases, food supply decreases, and those man-eating animals would die out, allowing our population to grow. This cycle would keep our species under control... but that would be if our species wern't so intelligent.

Truth is, we don't know what will happen to our over growing population because something of this magnitude has never happend before. Although I would guess that our food supplies would run low at some point, and we would start to die out till our population has the right ammount of people that our vegitation and animals food can serve.

btw Apocolypse bad, nature will take care of itself.

[Laharl]

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Apocalypse Now is a pretty fantastic song by Muse.

Had to be said.

[Jokee]

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Look dude, every politicans take that excuse "economy". I know this is radical but I think a little clean-up would be good (after all, you do defragment your hard-drive don't you?)
I don't like the toughts of people diing tough. Anyways, that clean-up will happen, one day or another.

[BanzaiKamikaze]

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Apocalypse to "try" to reboot our societies ? Everyone has an opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, there is a severe limit on how an end justifies the means :S .

Ending so many lives and denying our reproducing nature is unacceptable in so many ways I don't even feel like listing them (bad argumentation on my part).

We may be parasites on this planet, we may be messing with the delicate balance nature had worked for millions of years, but we are not entirely hopeless. There is improvement here and there, and in the end, it is in our nature to survive, and we would not let our poor planet die on us would we ?

We are currently trying to dominate nature and manipulate its laws to our advantage. Environment is damaged in the process, but "restarting" civilization would never correct the problem. Humans will never be in perfect symbiosis with the environment because of a lack of ressources and our hunger for what we think is a better life.

We have to keep faith in our scientists to find ways to satisfy this hunger without crippling our environment. I don't think anyone has the ability to judge that the only way to improve the condition of our friend Earth is to cripple our civilization.

[Reach]

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'm rambling a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that it's impossible for humans to be stopped from reproducing, especially if you use only legislation. People will do it anyways.

I don't think anyone has tried, but I'm nearly positive a reversible form of birth control could be done on all females to prevent them from reproducing until that process is reversed. So uh, certainly not impossible, though I agree that it is human nature to reproduce. However, most people treat it like a right, and some abuse that right irresponsibly with severe consequences, which is something that bothers me greatly.

It's pretty evident humans can't continue to reproduce forever. An apocalyptic event would be terrible way to go about fixing our problem temporarily, but I suppose if you scroll far enough into the future it's inevitable in some form. The earth contains a limited amount of resources, as does the universe. The human race will perish eventually, consequently, likely in a very short time period. We've already outgrown our capacity at least once when technology came along to save us, but I doubt that will keep happening. You can continue to produce more and more engineered food and space to fit more people on this planet but it will not be able to hold a growing population forever.

Thankfully as countries develop their population growth levels off (see Europe). It's the developing countries that are responsible for the overpopulation, so population control might not even be necessary. An apocalyptic event is still unavoidable though, whether it's a good thing or bad thing, assuming you define it as widespread disaster that involves the death of nearly everyone/everyone.

[devonin]

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but I'm nearly positive a reversible form of birth control could be done on all females to prevent them from reproducing until that process is reversed. So uh, certainly not impossible

How are you enforcing it so you are 100% positive that every single woman is faithfully subjecting themselves to this process?

[pokelda]

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As overpopulation is the main source of the problem, it's alot easier to control our reproductive nature than to have a large percentage of our population be wiped off. As reach pointed out, population in developed areas such as Europe and America are starting to level off. The cause of this in my opinion is that people are more educated, and more likely to succeed in life within these areas. This means that there is no incentive to create large families like they do in less developed countries. If we could educate the developing countries and improve life conditions there, population growth could be leveled off entirely and we can feasibly control our numbers.

This, in my very honest opinion, is alot better than wishing for an apocolypse.

[Verruckter]

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I don't think anyone has tried, but I'm nearly positive a reversible form of birth control could be done on all females to prevent them from reproducing until that process is reversed. So uh, certainly not impossible, though I agree that it is human nature to reproduce. However, most people treat it like a right, and some abuse that right irresponsibly with severe consequences, which is something that bothers me greatly.

Maybe it's physically possible (although chances are it would bring a ton of other side effects), but ethically, morally and socially, it's definitely not. You can't choose who or who has the right to have children, you can't prevent some from having them while others can't.

Yes, it is a right to have children. It's not a privilege. It's part of your nature to have them. I do agree that some people are inapt to take care or raise them properly, and should not have children, but I still don't think you should stop them from doing so.

I don't think there's anything we can do to stop or reverse the desecration process of our planet on the population aspect.

[Reach]

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How are you enforcing it so you are 100% positive that every single woman is faithfully subjecting themselves to this process?

You'd do it at birth by force, I would think.

Yes, it is a right to have children. It's not a privilege. It's part of your nature to have them. I do agree that some people are inapt to take care or raise them properly, and should not have children, but I still don't think you should stop them from doing so.

Well, our society gives us that right, which in turn makes it a privilege, since not everyone enjoys this right and it could be taken away.

This is sort of off topic, but why shouldn't we stop them? We enforce laws and regulations for everything else, including adoption. Logically I think we should stop them if they are unfit, much like you stop a drunk driver, because you're potentially endangering the life of a child. I'm not saying enforcing what I conjured up earlier would actually work, since it would never pass, (well, maybe in china...) but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, since some people practice this anyway if they have genetic disorders like Huntington's. It seems natural to screen for things like this, a long with standards of knowledge and requirements before you are allowed to have a child, but I don't think it will happen either way.

[xinpig]

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why would people want to even consider the human race committing itself to self extinction

[devonin]

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Logically I think we should stop them if they are unfit

There's your problem. Who does the deciding as to what constitutes unfit? Where's the benchmark for a "good enough" parent?

[Jokee]

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We have to keep faith in our scientists to find ways to satisfy this hunger without crippling our environment.

Not only scientists are involved in that. Scientists invented the water engine and oil companies bought the invention and destroyed it because they would loose money on oil.


And this "reboot" like you said will happen, either because of humans or natural catastrophe. There already have been 5 massive extinctions on earth so we're not protected.

[Verruckter]

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Not only scientists are involved in that. Scientists invented the water engine and oil companies bought the invention and destroyed it because they would loose money on oil.

Exactly what I was going to say. Hydrogen engines, electric engines... all dissapeared. Most of the patents have been bought off by huge companies and lokced away until they expire.

[reptile3141]

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Apocalypse Now!

LOL!