Super Smash Brothers Brawl

[Matthew4444]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

You know, after seeing the video of Falco vs. Wolf, I gotta say that I'm loving this game. Shadow Moses looks like a great place to put a beatdown on your opponent when you feel more like making them suffer than knocking them away. Plus getting a person to a wall and beating them Jet Gatling Gun style just seems cool.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kBpCXNnqD6A

[Squeek]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

There's a Metal Gear in the background.

Banned from competitive play.

[Afrobean]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

oh by the way, that article about playing to win seems to support the idea that abusing glitches is ok as long as everyone does it, even if the glitch is completely illogical and obviously an oversight of the programming

meaning he thinks wave dashing is good

but it also seems as though he would be of the opinion that limiting maps or items is counterproductive to the point of the game

So, clearly, we must all start wave dashing, playing Hyrule Temple, hurling items across the map at enemies, Homerun when in close quarters, etc. Sounds like tons of fun to me... except I'd probably have quite a bit harder time nailing enemies across the map when they're abusing glitches to travel super fast.

[Zamiax]

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I've seen sonic's final smash,.... its kind of a cheap move just moves around and kills everyone.

[Afrobean]

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I've seen sonic's final smash,.... its kind of a cheap move just moves around and kills everyone.

I've seen every character's final smash,..... they're kind of cheap move just move around and kills everyone

Man, I must be the King of Satire or something.

[Gano]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Port Zero Aero Dive cool, the camera angle changes are gonna be weird though.
Also this thread went like.. tbppthh

[tsugomaru]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Competitive Drug Use.

~Tsugomaru

[DivynE]

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fox/falco/wolf's final smash is smexier
EDIT: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q

[Afrobean]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

fox/falco/wolf's final smash is smexier
EDIT: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q

On a related note: what happened to the "no clones" rule?

[DarkManticoreX2]

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After watching that video, I think the best solution is to not get hit by one of those final smashes.

Most of them look like once you're hit you're done.

[SethSquall]

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Blatantly says that competitive players have a lack of skill.

Why yes, yes it does.

Or what I more or less mean is you only get good at about 40% of the game by the looks of all the things that get taken out and banned.

[Shashakiro]

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As for wavedashing and basically all "advanced" glitchy exploits: I hope they're gone from Brawl and I'll be glad if they are.

I'm one of those people Squeek mentioned much earlier who completely stopped playing MKDS online because of snaking. Snaking is terrible and I hate it in every way. I tried learning it but stopped because it's not even slightly fun to execute. It takes a fun game and makes it stop being fun to play for the sake of gaining some extra speed. Yuck. That being said, it's great to play with my friends--it's pretty much the only DS game we play together--but if anyone started snaking I'd tell them to ****ing stop or I wouldn't play with them anymore.

Having depth in gameplay is fine. IMO, one of the reasons Guitar Hero succeeds as a competitive game is squeezing; IMO squeezing is an example of a very "fair" advanced technique. It barely makes any difference at all for the most part, only affects anything if both players FC the song, and won't cause better players to completely own everyone who doesn't know how to do it all the time. Getting outsqueezed does not cease to make the game fun, especially since it's not likely to happen over and over--just pick a really hard song next game and you won't have to worry about it. If a player is a lot better than you it won't be attributed to squeezing--it'll be attributed to the fact that they can, say, five-star Raining Blood and you can barely pass it. Which, might I add, is a totally intuitive skill gap not born of glitchy/exploity techniques.

Things like wavedashing and snaking give such a large advantage that they really cannot be made up for for the most part, which is why I detest their existence. I feel as though an "advanced technique" is only "fair" if it determines skill only among the competitive players; if it can, by itself, turn a lesser player into a much better player simply by learning it (as I know snaking can, and maybe wavedashing), I consider it a bad idea for the game to have it.

I'm also fine with advanced techniques that are intuitive. For example, memorizing all the hotkeys for everything in Starcraft...of course every competitive player has done this, and of course it helps a good bit in making you better, but it's also pretty obvious and not a glitch or exploit, so you won't really see anyone complaining about it. Unlike snaking/wavedashing, it's an obvious skill, not one born of exploits.

In the end, I'm okay with an "advanced technique" if my reaction to it is "wow, that guy's really good" or I don't even notice it, and I'm not okay with it if my reaction to it is "what the **** is that guy doing and why is he kicking my ass so badly...?"

[travman301]

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fox/falco/wolf's final smash is smexier
EDIT: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q

Lmao, Jigglypuff's final smash is so bad.

[Loyal2Death]

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Lmao, Jigglypuff's final smash is so bad.

Not if you're playing with 3 other people. Shoving everyone off the ends of the levels could make quite a scramble for the ledge.

[zidart]

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Not if you're playing with 3 other people. Shoving everyone off the ends of the levels could make quite a scramble for the ledge.

especially in moving places like rainbow cruise.. and if jigglypuff can move (wich i don't know if she can or not) it would be more useful