United States eventual future?

[Sullyman2007]

Re: United States eventual future?

First of all, before you come here to post again, keep in mind that this is CT; an area specifically for high-level thinkers. Its really easy to just copy paste links from an outside source. You need to give me something to argue about, other than whats on Wikipedia. What I'm trying to say is, those are solid facts. I'm not going to sit here for an hour and and try to argue against an encyclopedia.

Now.

Maybe because the United States has a history of interfering with the economies and trade of other nations.

Cases in point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit

Firstly, the United States was not involved in this. This was the work of the United Fruit Company, which was not affiliated with the US government.
Also, I don't see anything here about the United States trying to take control over Latin American trade.

"The Company had a deep and long-lasting impact in the economic and political development of several Latin American countries".

It does go into talking about the "exploitative influence" that UFC was accused of, but it dosent say anything about influence over trade.

[SuperSonicX]

Re: United States eventual future?

I'll make this short and quick. If the U.S. continues down the road its already on, then trust me, the future will not be beneficial for anyone living in the U.S. or possibly anywhere else

[Coolgamer]

Re: United States eventual future?

First of all, before you come here to post again, keep in mind that this is CT; an area specifically for high-level thinkers. Its really easy to just copy paste links from an outside source. You need to give me something to argue about, other than whats on Wikipedia. What I'm trying to say is, those are solid facts. I'm not going to sit here for an hour and and try to argue against an encyclopedia.

Now.



Firstly, the United States was not involved in this. This was the work of the United Fruit Company, which was not affiliated with the US government.
Also, I don't see anything here about the United States trying to take control over Latin American trade. It does go into talking about the "exploitative influence" that UFC was accused of, but it dosent say anything about influence over trade.

First of all, most of these I knew about from previous knowledge. I just threw the Wiki articles up to help back my position up with facts.

The United Fruit Company played a large role in getting the U.S. to back the coup. The plantation land they used was excessive, and some was going to be returned back to the ownership of the people to help the impoverished citizens. Also, the amount of control United Fruit had was reasonably limited due to the new leader. This had to change.

We as a nation have a history of either bombing or backstabbing those who don't agree that WE should have control over global politics.

It started when we seized the land from the Native Americans, then expanded by theft from Mexico, hell, we even stole Hawaii in a military coup.

The truth about history is not pretty, but as a people and as a nation, we shouldn't act surprised when people hate us after a lot of the things we've done.

Take Cuba, which we seized and controlled for a period.

The USS Maine was claimed to have been destroyed by a Spanish mine. (Historians now believe a boiler exploded, but it still served as an excuse for war. Weapons of mass destruction, anyone?) U.S. forces landed in Cuba in June 1898 and quickly overcame the exhausted Spanish resistance. Finally, the people of Cuba would be free again thanks to the actions of the United States... except for the fact that we placed them under a 20-year U.S. treaty instead and took control for ourselves.

The Republic of Cuba only gained formal independence on May 20, 1902. Even then, under the new Cuban constitution, the U.S. retained the right to intervene in Cuban affairs and to supervise its finances and foreign relations. Under the Platt Amendment, Cuba also agreed to lease to the U.S. the naval base at Guantánamo Bay. Cuba today does not celebrate May 20 as their date of independence, but instead October 10, as the first declaration of independence, May 1 international (but not US) labor day, and also July 26, the date of Castro's first attack on Moncada Barracks.

In 1906, following disputed elections, an armed revolt led by Independence War Veterans broke out and that defeated the meager government forces loyal to Estrada Palma and the U.S. exercised its right of intervention. The country was placed under U.S. occupation and a U.S. governor, Charles Edward Magoon, took charge for three years. Magoon's governorship in Cuba was viewed in a negative light by many Cuban historians for years thereafter, believing that much political corruption was introduced during Magoon's years as governor. Almost all government deals made during this time directly benefited America. In 1908, self-government was restored when José Miguel Gómez was elected President, but the U.S. retained its supervision of Cuban affairs.

And yet we were confused as to why Castro was so mad at the U.S...

If you ever get the chance, read "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq" by Stephen Kinzer. It's a mind-blowing look into the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Amer.../dp/0805078614

[Corbin Wells]

Re: United States eventual future?

America can't get it's crap together until it changes the face of it's "traditions" and stop trying to enforce certain morals on the entire population within it's society. As far as for the society itself, until it learns that there are others with different beliefs and different concerns, it will always be selfish and dictatorial. We need a dictator for reason and fairness instead of some ass (like Mitt Romney) wanting to keep pushing us back as a nation instead of having us progress forward with KNOWLEDGE and consideration for the minority.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: United States eventual future?

Firstly, the United States was not involved in this. This was the work of the United Fruit Company, which was not affiliated with the US government.
Also, I don't see anything here about the United States trying to take control over Latin American trade. It does go into talking about the "exploitative influence" that UFC was accused of, but it dosent say anything about influence over trade.

The United States government and The United Fruit company were affiliated. The Secretary of State, John Dulles' brother owned a substantial block of UF's stock. The director of International Security Affairs in the State Department had been UF's president. The list goes on. "UF made great profits in Guatemala because it was able to operate without interference from the Guatemalan government. It simply claimed good farmland, arranged for legal title through one-sided deals with dictators, and then operated plantations on its own terms, free of such annoyances as taxes or labor regulations."


"December 3, 1953, the CIA authorized an initial $3 million to set Operation Success in motion. It would start with a propaganda campaign, proceed through a wave of destabilizing violence, and culminate in an attack staged to look like a domestic uprising."

-Kinzer, Stephen, Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq, (New York: Times Books, 2006), pp. 136

[That_mexican_nerd]

Re: United States eventual future?

North American Union...

[devonin]

Re: United States eventual future?

North American Union...

Care to provide some reasoning/evidence to support your random assertion?

[Go_Oilers_Go]

Re: United States eventual future?

I don't believe that the States will ever forget about "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness". After all, that brief little phrase was essentially what created the States (slight exaggeration).

[Coolgamer]

Re: United States eventual future?

I don't believe that the States will ever forget about "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness". After all, that brief little phrase was essentially what created the States (slight exaggeration).

You're free to pursue it, you just can't have it.

[Sir_Thomas]

Re: United States eventual future?

We are due for a natural disaster within the next 50 years anyway so...

United States Future: Submerged underwater; everyone nearly dead.

[Jordan da Man]

Re: United States eventual future?

Look at the back of a 1 dollar bill with some knowledge on the Freemasons...You will have a completely different aspect on the US.

Questions about this? PM me. I'll explain.

[devonin]

Re: United States eventual future?

My primary question is: "Do you seriously think that relatively absurd conspiracy theory as made popular by Nicholas Cage has a serious place in the critical thinking forum?"

Simple answer: Just because freemasons were in high political office when the bill was being designed doesn't mean that a bad mistranslation of the motto on the bill actually signifies anything at all.

[Jordan da Man]

Re: United States eventual future?

My primary question is: "Do you seriously think that relatively absurd conspiracy theory as made popular by Nicholas Cage has a serious place in the critical thinking forum?"

Simple answer: Just because freemasons were in high political office when the bill was being designed doesn't mean that a bad mistranslation of the motto on the bill actually signifies anything at all.

Dude...Nicholas Cage has nothing to do with my thinking. Every male in my family for many years has been a Freemason, and in fact, National Treasure is completely wrong about most of its stuff.

Plus, there are MANY signs that relate the bill to the Freemasons and Knights Templar such as the Pagan Owl, the Goat-Head Pentagram, the Eagle, and most well known, The All Seeing Eye.

[devonin]

Re: United States eventual future?

So you're telling publically, the secrets of the Freemasons? Consider yourself reported.

Further: The problem with conspiracy theories is the incredible requirement that you suspend your disbelief to give them any credence whatsoever.

Here in CT, you must provide -proof- of your claims. So let's see your proof.

[Jordan da Man]

Re: United States eventual future?

So you're telling publically, the secrets of the Freemasons? Consider yourself reported.

Further: The problem with conspiracy theories is the incredible requirement that you suspend your disbelief to give them any credence whatsoever.

Here in CT, you must provide -proof- of your claims. So let's see your proof.

These "secrets" are commonly known with a little knowledge...

Proof: (You will need a $1 for this)

The Eagle

It should be noted that the Eagle has 32 feathers right wing, but 33 in its left wing. The 32 feathers representing the number of ordinary degrees of the Scottish Rite, and the 33 feathers representing the 33º of Freemasonry. The tail feathers number 9, the number of degrees in the York Rite. The eagle itself is a prominent icon of Masonry, being used extensively in the Scottish Rite.

The eagle replaced the Phoenix in 1841 as the national bird. The Phoenix has been a Brotherhood symbol since ancient Egypt. The Phoenix was adopted by the Founding Fathers (Freemasons) for use on the reverse of the first official seal of the United States after a design proposed by Charles Thompson, Secretary of the Continental Congress.

The Goat-Head Pentagram:

if you turn the dollar over and look at the left circle with the pyramid in it, if you draw a star-of-david in it, upside down, also known as "The Goat-Head Pentagram," the points will be at the letters in 'Annuit Coeptis' and 'novus ordo seclorum' on the letters "M", "A", "S", "O", "N".

The Pyramid:

At the base of the Pyramid on the reverse side of a $1 bill, you will see the roman numerals: MDCCLXXVI

With some knowledge in Roman Numerals, you can see the date this represents.

M=1000
D=500
CC=200
L=50
XX=20
V=5
I=1

Add it all up, and the sum is 1776. Coincidence? I doubt it. Not only is this the date of which the Declaration of Independace was signed, but also the year that the Freemason's were established.

The All Seeing Eye:

The Egyptian “Eye of Horus” (aka All Seeing Eye) can be found at the top of the pyramid. Masons refer to this as the almighty creator of the universe. It’s origins come from the Golden Era of sun-worship in Egypt. Sun worship is similar to Freemasonry (Obelisks, Egyptian symbols, pyramids.) Without going too far off the path- We see Egyptian obelisks all over the place, Masons had them laid. The most famous one is in Washington DC. We also see many pyramids- one the Great Seal and there is a pyramid etched out in the streets of Washington DC too.

The Pagan Owl:

Look on the side with George Washington on it. In the upper right hand corner is detailed frame with the number “1” in it. In the top left hand corner of that frame is the pagan owl. To you it may just look like an ordinary dot, but it is there alright, trust me.

As some know, Nimrod and the Whore of Babylon created an occult, Satanist-like religion and when Babylon was destroyed, that religion spread around the globe and different versions and similar beliefs appear in many different philosophies and religions we see today. Freemasonry, Baal worship, Greek / Roman Gods, even Catholicism have connections with the “Mystery Religion."

Nimrod appeared as Baal, and as a pagan owl idol. If you look carefully around Washington DC you will find that many of the government buildings which are pagan in architectural style, have owl statues on them. This is a direct influence of Nimrod. One of these owls is on the dollar bill. Nimrod was also a reason why the Freemasons were established.