TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[ieatyourlvllol]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Combo shouldn't matter for easy songs. Anything below FMO/FGO should be on a PA-based system. Due to framers making judgment of overall performance impossible (unless the person FC's), anything that's FMO/FGO should have two separate requirements, one for combo (like now), or one for PA. The problem is that for the former, there is the existence of mashing, which skews proper measurement of speed/control. For the latter, there are still average-misses. Ex: Which is better? 3 g FC or 0g w/ 3 av-miss? They're technically the same (hitting a frame too early / hitting a frame too late).

Imo, it's possible but difficult to devise the perfect tier system for R1.

[AOD_ELEMENT]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Tier Points for AOD_ELEMENT
Expand/Collapse All Requirements

Tier Points: 575 (551 + 24 for 215 AAAs)

7/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - 5 or fewer
6/6 - Monstrous Turtles! - AAA
6/6 - {Midnight} - AAA
6/6 - Force Of Light - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Synaxis Symphony - AAA
5/5 - Innocent Decay - AAA
5/5 - Tambourin Chinois - AAA
5/5 - Mute City Remix - AAA
5/5 - ViennaCore - AAA
5/5 - State of Emergency - AAA
5/5 - Ride Out - AAA
5/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - AAA
5/5 - Video Out A - AAA
5/5 - Ruins - AAA
5/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - AAA
5/5 - Kick Your A - AAA*
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - ASB - AAA
4/4 - CIA Rave - AAA
4/4 - Neon-213 - AAA
4/4 - Secrets and Lies - AAA
4/4 - Endless Dream - AAA
4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA
4/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
6/7 - Vertex BETA - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Cosmic Orchestra - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Szamar Madar - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Shihen - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Infernoplex - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Cold Breath - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Color of Giggles - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Dokudenpa - 3 or fewer
4/5 - P8107 - 4 or fewer*
4/5 - Divinity - 7 or fewer
4/5 - HELLBEAT v2 - 3 or fewer
4/5 - {Rose} - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Famouz - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Tribal Transcendency - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Wish (For FFR) - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Duality - 5 or fewer
3/4 - AAA - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2 - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Z - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Carol Megamix - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Sensorium - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Mother Of God - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Hyper Pressure - 3 or fewer
3/4 - MAX Forever - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Fantranstic - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Deep Breath - 3 or fewer
3/4 - Playdoh - 4 or fewer
3/4 - Delirium - Single Digit Good
7/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,500,000 or higher
5/7 - Southern Cross - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Melonman's OP - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Sympathizer - 10 or fewer
5/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - 20 or fewer
5/7 - Turbulence - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Abtrusity - Single Digit Good
4/6 - lolharp5000 - 12 or fewer
4/6 - Judgment Days - Single Digit Good*
4/6 - Kakke Ecko - Single Digit Good
4/6 - The Brain of the Moon - 7 or fewer*
4/6 - Gaussian Blur 2 - Single Digit Good
4/6 - UNknown Girl - 12 or fewer
4/6 - Pretty Green Onions - 15 or fewer
4/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - Single Digit Good
4/6 - R176 - 15 or fewer*
4/6 - Coat Czech - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Gradeus - 7(9) or fewer
3/5 - StarmineX -HappyHyperStarmiX- - 15 or fewer
3/5 - BB Euro - 12 or fewer
3/5 - The Five - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Battle Ax - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Amefuri Koneko - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Dazzling Destiny - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Dazzling Soul - 10 or fewer
3/5 - Takecore of Yourself - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Be Princess - 12 or fewer*
3/5 - Klung Kung - 20 or fewer
3/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Cutting Circles - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Carrousel Paradise - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Epic - 15 or fewer
3/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Evil Approaches - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Get Down - 15 or fewer
2/4 - GO! - Single Digit Good
2/4 - Attack of One Minute - 20 or fewer
2/4 - {Blaze} - 20 or fewer
2/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 12 or fewer
2/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - Single Digit Good
5/8 - Turkish March - 35 or fewer
4/7 - Kyuin - 35 or fewer
4/7 - PLANETZ - 30 or fewer
4/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - 30 or fewer
4/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 30 or fewer
4/7 - Silence - 30 or fewer
3/6 - Adult's Sketchbook - 25 or fewer
3/6 - Uber Rave - 15 or fewer*
3/6 - Love Coloured Master Spark - 25 or fewer
3/6 - Love Cheat! - 40 or fewer
3/6 - Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] - 20 or fewer
3/6 - Air - 25 or fewer
3/6 - {Frozen} - 20 or fewer
3/6 - Classical Insanity - 20 or fewer
3/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - 20 or fewer
3/6 - Legend - 25 or fewer
3/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Wisdom - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Idol (Aniko is Pojinju Mix) - 25 or fewer
5/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 2,050,000 or higher
4/8 - AIM Anthem - Full Combo
4/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - 40(41) or fewer
4/8 - Strangeprogram - Full Combo
4/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - Full Combo
3/7 - Choprite - Full Combo
3/7 - Midnight Dragon - 50 or fewer
3/7 - Epidermis - Full Combo
3/7 - None Would Escape - Full Combo
3/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - 60 or fewer
3/7 - HELLBEAT - Full Combo
3/7 - End Night - 40 or fewer
2/6 - Over the Rave - 45 or fewer
2/6 - Splash Beats - Full Combo
4/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Full Combo
4/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,900,000 or higher
3/8 - Gaussian Blur - Full Combo
3/8 - Rottel-da-station - Full Combo
3/8 - Lawn Wake IV - Full Combo
2/7 - For FFR - Full Combo
2/7 - K8107 - Full Combo
2/7 - Balloon Fever - Full Combo
3/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,360,000 or higher
3/9 - Pants - 3,200,000 or higher
3/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 1,200,000 or higher
2/8 - Nova Pulser - Full Combo
2/9 - One Minute Waltz - 700,000 or higher
2/9 - Caprice - 1,250,000 or more
2/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,140,000 or higher
0/8 - BB Evolution - Requirements
1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher

[MrRubix]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Combo shouldn't matter for easy songs. Anything below FMO/FGO should be on a PA-based system. Due to framers making judgment of overall performance impossible (unless the person FC's), anything that's FMO/FGO should have two separate requirements, one for combo (like now), or one for PA. The problem is that for the former, there is the existence of mashing, which skews proper measurement of speed/control. For the latter, there are still average-misses. Ex: Which is better? 3 g FC or 0g w/ 3 av-miss? They're technically the same (hitting a frame too early / hitting a frame too late).

Imo, it's possible but difficult to devise the perfect tier system for R1.

Precisely -- thanks for the clear explanation

[smartdude1212]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Tier Points: 836 (786 + 50 for 456 AAAs)

8/8 - AIM Anthem - AAA
8/8 - Lawn Wake IV - AAA
8/8 - Strangeprogram - AAA
7/7 - Epidermis - 2 or fewer *
7/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - 5 or fewer
7/7 - Kyuin - AAA
7/7 - PLANETZ - AAA
7/7 - Sympathizer - AAA
7/7 - Vertex BETA - AAA
7/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - 2 or fewer
7/7 - HELLBEAT - 2(3) or fewer
7/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - 3 or fewer
7/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - 2 or fewer
7/7 - End Night - AAA
7/7 - Turbulence - AAA
6/6 - Abtrusity - 1 or fewer
6/6 - Over the Rave - AAA
6/6 - Monstrous Turtles! - AAA
6/6 - Uber Rave - AAA
6/6 - Love Coloured Master Spark - AAA
6/6 - Cosmic Orchestra - AAA
6/6 - Love Cheat! - 1 or fewer
6/6 - Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] - AAA
6/6 - lolharp5000 - AAA
6/6 - Szamar Madar - AAA
6/6 - {Midnight} - AAA
6/6 - Judgment Days - AAA
6/6 - Kakke Ecko - AAA
6/6 - The Brain of the Moon - AAA
6/6 - Gaussian Blur 2 - AAA
6/6 - UNknown Girl - AAA
6/6 - Shihen - AAA
6/6 - Pretty Green Onions - AAA
6/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - AAA
6/6 - R176 - AAA
6/6 - Air - AAA
6/6 - {Frozen} - AAA
6/6 - Classical Insanity - AAA
6/6 - Coat Czech - 1 or fewer
6/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - AAA
6/6 - Splash Beats - AAA
6/6 - Gradeus - AAA(2 goods)
6/6 - Legend - AAA
6/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 1 or fewer
6/6 - Force Of Light - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Infernoplex - AAA
5/5 - StarmineX -HappyHyperStarmiX- - AAA
5/5 - Wisdom - AAA
5/5 - Synaxis Symphony - AAA
5/5 - Innocent Decay - AAA
5/5 - BB Euro - AAA
5/5 - Tambourin Chinois - AAA
5/5 - Mute City Remix - AAA
5/5 - The Five - AAA
5/5 - Cold Breath - AAA
5/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - AAA
5/5 - ViennaCore - AAA
5/5 - State of Emergency - AAA
5/5 - Color of Giggles - AAA
5/5 - Dokudenpa - AAA
5/5 - P8107 - AAA
5/5 - Battle Ax - AAA
5/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - AAA
5/5 - Ride Out - AAA
5/5 - Amefuri Koneko - AAA
5/5 - Divinity - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - AAA
5/5 - Idol (Aniko is Pojinju Mix) - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Soul - AAA
5/5 - HELLBEAT v2 - AAA
5/5 - Video Out A - AAA
5/5 - Takecore of Yourself - AAA
5/5 - Ruins - AAA
5/5 - Be Princess - AAA
5/5 - {Rose} - AAA
5/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - AAA
5/5 - Kick Your A - AAA
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - Famouz - AAA
5/5 - Klung Kung - AAA
5/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - AAA
5/5 - Cutting Circles - AAA
5/5 - Carrousel Paradise - AAA
5/5 - Epic - AAA
5/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - AAA
5/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - AAA
5/5 - Evil Approaches - AAA
5/5 - Tribal Transcendency - AAA
5/5 - Get Down - AAA
5/5 - ASB - AAA
5/5 - Wish (For FFR) - AAA
4/4 - CIA Rave - AAA
4/4 - Duality - AAA
4/4 - Neon-213 - AAA
4/4 - AAA - AAA
4/4 - Secrets and Lies - AAA
4/4 - GO! - AAA
4/4 - Endless Dream - AAA
4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
4/4 - Attack of One Minute - AAA
4/4 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2 - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA
4/4 - {Blaze} - AAA
4/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
4/4 - Carol Megamix - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
4/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - AAA
4/4 - Sensorium - AAA
4/4 - Mother Of God - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Hyper Pressure - AAA
4/4 - MAX Forever - 2 or fewer
4/4 - Fantranstic - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
4/4 - Deep Breath - AAA
4/4 - Playdoh - AAA
4/4 - Delirium - AAA
4/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - AAA
7/8 - BB Evolution - Single Digit Good
7/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - 5(6) or fewer
7/8 - Nova Pulser - 4(11) or fewer
6/7 - Southern Cross - 5 or fewer*
6/7 - None Would Escape - 5 or fewer
6/7 - Melonman's OP - 5 or fewer*
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 8 or fewer
6/7 - Balloon Fever - 5 or fewer
6/7 - Silence - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Adult's Sketchbook - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Dazzling Destiny - 5 or fewer
6/8 - Turkish March - 15 or fewer
6/8 - Rottel-da-station - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Choprite - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Midnight Dragon - 15 or fewer
6/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - 40 or fewer
6/9 - Caprice - 60(63) or fewer
6/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,390,000 or higher
6/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 100(105) or fewer
5/8 - Gaussian Blur - 25 or fewer
4/7 - For FFR - 25 or fewer
4/9 - BB Revenge - 3,000,000 or higher
4/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,200,000 or higher
2/7 - K8107 - Full Combo
3/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,360,000 or higher
3/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 1,750,000 or higher
3/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 1,750,000 or higher
2/9 - One Minute Waltz - 700,000 or higher
2/9 - Pants - 2,800,000 or higher
0/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - Requirements

Kinda happy I have full req for Epidermis.
Lost my record of having all 6 point req's fulfilled. Stupid Adult's Sketchbook and it's too-perfect steps that are patterns my fingers don't agree with.

[Fantasticone]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

You, people that are posting tier points. Wrong thread lol.

[gnr61]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

"7/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,500,000 or higher"

lol that this score has lasted this long with his history.

edit: ieat has the right idea btw.

[zoogarama]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

what's PA? sorry if it's a noob question but i've been trying to figure it out for a while now before asking :/

[HammyMcSquirrel]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Smartdude...
4/5 - Dazzling Destiny - 5 or fewer

What is this ****?

[gnr61]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

LOL Dazzling Destiny iz toooo harrrd guyz!!!

help i only got 3 fingers total

and PA is short for Perfect Attack, which is a slightly inaccurate term to describe how good you are at getting perfects.

edit for example: an SDG on OMW is an example of good PA. 1299292214235789215-0-0-0 on SP is an example of bad PA.

[MrRubix]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

I've always called it Perfect Accuracy (even though I know many say Attack)

[jimerax]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Any "non-FC(or low combo) PA scores" can't be recorded or counted in current FFR system.
And Tier Point is only calculated by the highest Total Scores which are actually recorded.

We have to count the points of those PA scores by SS manually?
No, get over it.

also, stop posting your tier point list here.
There's a thread in Brag Board.

[gnr61]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Motion to start a manual calculation system based on a GOOD scoring system.
list will have WAY fewer songs (to offset things like 2 challenging AAAs being as good as a Crowdpleaser FC), thinking like 75ish.
Songs would be select and covering different areas of skill, rather than just every challenging+ song thrown together. Bit of a hassle it may be to calculate but it would be much more accurate I feel. AND NO DAMN AAA BONUSES rofl

[MrRubix]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

Jimerax, your response surprises me -- I am fairly certain that it can be automated. Saying that you'd have to count points from screenshots is a bit of a straw-man argument: It isn't what I am proposing at all. Why else do you think levelranks.php takes a while to load? It's a php file -- it's performing calculations and comparisons on data extracted from the score database for every single song in the game. Such things could also be done for more specific criteria for songs in the Tier Points list -- right now the Tier Points calculator is using scores and from this deriving an approximation for full combos and the number of goods. Granted, this approach is easy to calculate and use as a metric, but it's hardly useful for a measure of skill.

Yes, doing it the way that ieat, gnr and I have been referring to would take a little bit more coding work, but it would not be difficult -- just a bit more tedious with respect to customizing appropriate prerequisites, and really it would not differ so much from the current system aside from the fact that it is using different numbers.

If I am wrong about any of this please let me know.


EDIT: I just asked Synthlight about how such values are derived -- what I've assumed above is correct. It's very possible to change the system over to something more appropriate.

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

I love how I have 16 AAA's and I'm on the list. That is by far the lowest AAA count. The next lowest person has 76.

[TheSeventhSign]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07

I've always called it Perfect Accuracy (even though I know many say Attack)

ME TOO

And personally I think Tier Points based on PA would be a much better idea. Leave average rank to combo and Tier Points to PA..... at least in that way, they would be MORE different from each other..... I still think Tier Points follow average rank at this point.