Trivium or JFAC?

[KH Luxord]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

DRUGSTORE!!! DO WE HAVE TRIVIUM ON THE PERMISSIONS LIST?! I am working on Pull Harder.

[AnUnknownDrummer]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

I like JFAC more than Trivium, but I could care less as to vote on a poll about it and argue over it.

I rather listen to As I Lay Dying or something else though, kthxbi.

Agreed.

[Lucifericrucifix]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Pull Harder was a decent song..Not really into their new stuff though (Trivium, in general.) I dislike the whole scream/sing approach with their music, and I dislike how now they're essentially a carbon copy of a heavier Metallica.

I would pick Job For A Cowboy in this list, however I'm not too either a great amount. Job For A Cowboy in my honest opinion was a waste of time with their demo...Pretty much drew a retarded audience who discovered a lame variation of the "core" gutterals, and played off on it over and over and over only to further the "scene" generation. Genesis is more in vein of Death Metal and with some tech elements..which was pretty satisfying despite how the CD was somewhat monotonous towards the end, none the less, good cd in comparison to the annoying over-saturated "deathcore" scene which it appears they abandoned.

Trivium while Thrash influenced...They still carry the burden of Metalcore, well, perhaps not as much now but in general...Once you go there you almost never leave the genre, it sticks...for whatever reason. It just becomes easier to pick out the style and go, "Oh, well, they did this...They're still Metalcore."

As for As I Lay Dying..eh, let's not start.
As I Pray Crying. ;D Not a fan of metalcore/deathcore, ...or what appears to be "Hardcore" these days, real hardcore pretty much died out, unfortunately.

Also, let's not have this become a source war.."This website is more reliable," etc. The best mind is an educated one, be that a source or not.

[TSB_[X-OnTheRox-X]]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

i actually like job for a cowboy.

looks like im the only one so far :/


oh well, as long as this doesnt turn into a "omg u suk ***. u liek jfac maor, go die" then this thread is cool with me. But like most threads like this they turn bad. quickly.


EDIT: i also agree with pete. id much rather listen to someone else. a lot of bands are better, but from the two, JFAC is better to me.

omg u suk ***! u liek jfac maor, go die!!

[ShastaTwist]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Truth be told, I just did a sample listening of each of these bands. I've listened to Job For a Cowboy before, but not very much.

Personally, I like to be able to semi-understand what I'm listening to. To me, Job For a Cowboy is a bunch of growling and screaming and mangrunts. Also, their instruments are all sort of just clashed together to make some sort of sound that I can't describe.

For Trivium, their vocals are better, it's not so much just muddled screaming and growling, it has more to it. Their sound is also a lot better and more melodic.

So, yay on Trivium, nay on Job For a Cowboy, but no real official position.

[Verruckter]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Wikipedia definitely helps with defining band genres. Yeah, that is how I check what kind of metal a band is.

Go on Project Playlist - Job for a Cowboy and click the play button on Embedded.

First of all, click on the second one for Embedded (the one that says Artist Website), and listen to it from there. JFAC is a death metal band that has a really deep growling sound, with some of a black metal band element in it (high pitched shrieking vocals).

There are many other bands on Project Playlist, but the link that I gave you takes you to Job for a Cowboy's page.

As I Lay Dying isn't my favorite metal band, but they are ok.
As long as it is not death metal (pure) or black metal, I'm fine with it.

Pure Death Metal - Consists of low-pitched growled vocals, with heavily distorted guitars and singing much about death or a new world that comes out of the death of this world.

Black Metal (general) - Consists of high-pitched shrieking vocals, with extremely distorted guitars and bands of this genre are usually made up of one or two people. Black metal usually uses drum machines and guitar/bass machines rather than human drummers/guitarists/bassists. Black metal is different from any other genre because of the Satanic nature of the band and the lyrics. Some black metal bands (3 or more members) have been associated with church burnings, murders, and Satanic vandalism. One-man black metal bands usually are associated with public Satanic worshiping/preaching and arson.

So, don't listen to black metal. Death metal sucks, but it is better than black metal.

The best metal genres are Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Metalcore, and Melodic Death Metal (Thrash Metal with distorted guitars).

Haha, Job for a Cowboy doesn't have anything of black metal. High pitched vocals don't mean much, because not all black metal bands have high pitched vocals.

Also, the Satanic things are just a few bands, really. Not many people have actually gone out and burnt down churches. And I don't see how that defines the genre.

I don't care what you say, Wikipedia is not a reliable source when it comes to music genres.

Again, all three bands you've listed so far are Metalcore over Thrash, death or whatever other genre you called them.

[KH Luxord]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Shut up.

Listen, JFAC is death metal. I'm talking about Black Metal bands like Gogoroth. They are one of the most Satanic bands ever known to man.

Once again, Trivium even considers themselves Thrash. Check out their MySpace.

[spinal_compression]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

This thread is a fail.

You are comparing (or trying to compare) two completely different bands with different styles of music and different takes on their genre.


That being said I did enjoy JFAC more than Trivium. But then again that's just the kinda music I enjoy.

[Verruckter]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Shut up.

Listen, JFAC is death metal. I'm talking about Black Metal bands like Gogoroth. They are one of the most Satanic bands ever known to man.

Once again, Trivium even considers themselves Thrash. Check out their MySpace.

It's not because you say you play a certain genre that you actually do. Luca Turilli calls his side project "Symphonic Cosmic Metal", but it's just Symphonic Power metal.

I know what I'm talking about, man. Yes, Gorgoroth is a satanic Black Metal band, but as far as I know, they haven't burned down any churches. Some of the members have been to court for accusations of rape and kidnapping, but no crimes related directly to satanism.

[Lucifericrucifix]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Gorgoroth are more or less of a more recent wave of Black Metal, excluding their earlier material but they are certainly notorious for their criminal activity, or in the past..and the event in Poland, most notably.

As for Shasta, many say the same thing, and it's easier to of course at first. It takes a while I suppose to really notice the musicianship and melody in the heavier stuff I suppose. I remember when I first got into Death Metal or Metal in general, people all went, "Oh check out Cannibal Corpse!" and honestly to this day, I still think they are in no way appropriate for the "Death Metal Elite" as they seem to be deemed but, after a long time I realized that their compositions aren't horrible...I just personally don't like it so much. It's a trained ear, I suppose, or at least for many. I don't believe either of these bands are great examples of what the genre is though.

I figured JFAC had more prominent melodies than other bands..but I suppose it depends on what you listen to and how you identify with it. Trivium is bluntly put there, you can easily establish what is what, where as JFAC (At least on Genesis..) have a more technical feel.

As for metal styling, do not categorize a band based off vocal style, far too many people do it. That's how this annoying trend of people came to be and categorized everything they listen to as "Grindcore" despite the fact it was nothing more than modern crappy hardcore with "core" gutterals.

Let's not argue though...Music is what it is and if your looking for opinions on what people think and or feel about these two bands promote that, not this argument on what is what.

[Chromer]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Gorgoroth are pussies compared to Black Metal bands like Dimmu Borgir and others. Also, people in this thread who said they don't like Trivium for the screaming and muddled vocals don't know the real reason for it. Matt Heafy (Vocals) stated that the only reason he screamed in earlier LPs was because of his lack of musical abilities. He recently stated that he will no longer be screaming because he now has been practicing to sing instead of scream.

Go figure. :/

[ShastaTwist]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

I don't care what you say, Wikipedia is not a reliable source when it comes to music genres.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

As for Shasta, many say the same thing, and it's easier to of course at first. It takes a while I suppose to really notice the musicianship and melody in the heavier stuff I suppose.

It's really just a preference. I mean, I would listen to Job for a Cowboy just for kicks, but it's not really my style of music. Then again, I don't really have a style, I like a lot of different types of music, you just won't find most of it in my playlists.

[Verruckter]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Gorgoroth are pussies compared to Black Metal bands like Dimmu Borgir and others.

Hahaha WHAT? Are you kidding me? I really hope you're not serious.

[Lucifericrucifix]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.



It's really just a preference. I mean, I would listen to Job for a Cowboy just for kicks, but it's not really my style of music. Then again, I don't really have a style, I like a lot of different types of music, you just won't find most of it in my playlists.

No doubt. Glad to see you remain objective though and your open...We need more people like that. Not specifically into metal, but music in general. Be open to it all, it's all unique, no?

As for the comment about Gorgoroth being "weak" (I'd rather not quote it..) in comparison to Dimmu Borgir, please, be a bit more specific about your words because if your using it in the slang/social context...Gorgoroth are anything but that, if anything superior in that way in comparison to Dimmu Borgir. Dimmu is merely a newer wave, which is in my opinion not as great as true Black Metal..but, there is something that is offered within each wave.

[BluE_MeaniE]

Re: Trivium or JFAC?

Pure Death Metal - Consists of low-pitched growled vocals, with heavily distorted guitars and singing much about death or a new world that comes out of the death of this world.

No. Death metal evolved out of thrash metal. It commonly has low-pitched growls, but that's not a genre-definer--it's just an earmark. Of course the guitars are distorted. And what they sing about is also not a genre-definer. Commonly, their lyrics have anti-Christian or gore themes. But that's just something that's common. I have no idea where you get this idea of a new world that comes out of the death of this world. I mean, what?

Black Metal (general) - Consists of high-pitched shrieking vocals, with extremely distorted guitars and bands of this genre are usually made up of one or two people. Black metal usually uses drum machines and guitar/bass machines rather than human drummers/guitarists/bassists. Black metal is different from any other genre because of the Satanic nature of the band and the lyrics. Some black metal bands (3 or more members) have been associated with church burnings, murders, and Satanic vandalism. One-man black metal bands usually are associated with public Satanic worshiping/preaching and arson.

Once again, the form of vocals doesn't define the genre. Once again, distorted guitars are kind of just obvious. Now, commonly, the production is a lot more trebly and "harsh", and if that's what you mean with extremely distorted guitars, then I can give you that one.

It's true that black metal really did grow out of anti-Christian (Judeo-Christianity, really) sentiments. And it's true it's commonly satanic. But death metal is plenty satanic too. Lots of thrash as well. Satanism itself doesn't separate black metal from other genres as if it's the only genre with satanism.

And where do you get the idea that one-man black metal bands do a lot of preaching?

So, don't listen to black metal. Death metal sucks, but it is better than black metal.

What? I mean, I guess if you had something against satanism or anti-Christianity, sure. But then that would apply to a very large portion of death metal too.

The best metal genres are Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Metalcore, and Melodic Death Metal (Thrash Metal with distorted guitars).

Melodic death metal is thrash metal with distorted guitars? I mean, that just makes no sense.


EDITING: FINDING SOURCES

All right, well, I can't find any great sources right now. There are a few I've found that have some good lists, so I'll look a bit later.

Instead I just want to give a bit on why I think I'm right. It's important to note that these sort of things are objective facts. In other words, it's possible to be wrong. It's not "just an opinion." It's not something totally subjective. Now, don't get me wrong--because of that, it's certainly possible I could be the wrong one. The point is, someone is wrong.

So why do I think what I think is right? There are a couple different kinds of claims here: factual and definitional. The factual ones are easy. "Black metal bands usually have one or two people". Well, either that's true or not. I don't particularly know the answer. But if there are more black metal bands with more members, then there just are.

But note: calling them black metal to begin with is where we come to the definitional claims. What is considered death metal and what is considered black metal, etc., is just a definition. But it's been defined by a consensus of the elite.

They could have been hardly defined at all or in any random off-the-wall way. But they weren't. They also could have been defined by the absolute majority, but they weren't for an important reason: the elite know what the smeg they're talking about. Think about it. You don't define these genres by what the media calls them. They don't know what's going on. Well, guess what? Lots of other people--even fans--don't know what's going on as well.

So essentially, it's important that they're defined this way as much based on reason as possible. And they are.