Time = Rate of Change.
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Duration is the rate of existance's movement. Jamie call it the rate of change.Duration is measured in time.
NeoDarkHeart said time was made by humans. Time was made by humans. Time is the measurement made by humans to measure duration. Allow me to paint a picture: If a boy had his picture taken every year of his life on his birthday until the day he died, all of those pictures would be a cross-section of his duration. We measure the distance between the cross-sections with time.
I can't answer your question about NeoDarkHeart's reluctance, but I assure you that he is undoubtedly either contemplating the thought still or that he is explaining it in as many ways as possible so as to allow others to understand the concept.
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the phenomenon, as you call it, is not the big hand moving around in a circle. it's sh!t happening that really is the only proof that what you consider to be "time" exists at all, and that's only proof if you consider sh!t happening to be in sequence with other sh!t that happens.
i dont.
i just see a bunch of sh!t happening. if you have the frame of mind to consider everything to be one flat plane, then you'll understand me. it's not stupid, it's simplified. it's all in context to what you want to see the world as. i'd rather see it as something i like to call "a lot of stuff", whereas someone else would see it as something more complicated, but be seeing the same thing, and call it something like "a planet, with animals, plants, humans, belief, evil, good, honesty, lies, science, religion, entertainment, vision, blindness, mountains and oceans".
we see the same thing, but instead of having all that laid out on the desktop of our perception to clutter our mind, i'd rather put all that stuff into a folder, and look at the folder. if i want to see more, i can look inside, but i'm not forced to look at everything inside everytime i think of the folder.
yeah, you could say time is natural, and the blooming of a flower is proof. adversely, i can say that time is a flat and long plane of existence, and the flower bloomed. sh!t happened.
the blooming of a flower could be considered to be something that happens over the course of time.
i say it's something that happens. if i had a flower in my backyard, and it hasnt bloomed yet, and i left town and came back every week or so, and looked at the flower, i'd see the flower as the flower. not as a blooming flower, or as a bloomed flower, or a flower that's whatever percentage to full bloom.
it's a flower. if it blooms, good for the flower. doesnt mean time has passed, it means that the flower bloomed.
the fact that time could be completely ignored and the world would remain the same debunks the theory of it being a natural occurance.
you can't ignore that sh!t happens - you can ignore time, though. sh!t happening is a natural occurance.
sh!t happens. time doesnt.
EDIT: btw - i've been doing other stuff, and havent been able to check the forum. sry bout that.Comment
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Uhg... I thought we were done.Comment
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lol... whatever that is on your head in your avatar says we're not. =PComment
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It's a monster from Star Wars Galaxies chasing me.Comment
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HOLY CRAP! THE RELEVANCE OF SW:G IS ASTOUNDING! Ok, I got that out of my system. I love it...the upgrade at least. Mmmmmm...my own ship to use to blow up yours. Oh yeah.
Anywho, I do believe that is almost what I said, NeoDarkHeart. Almost. I said that time is a measurment to see how much duration has passed from one event (shi!t happening) to another event happening (more sh!t). It is rather linear, which makes it seem too damn easy. I tend to see thing in three dimensions, or four in this case, so the whole idea that it can be this simple is bothering me. For the love of Spoonerisms, we're mainly 13-21 year olds discussing theories on time. Something we said must have made something wrong. It's just too easy.
Or I'm just damned paranoid. Whatever.
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My last post was a response, it wasn't a random off topic post... so it wasn't that bad.Comment
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off*Originally posted by TheAppleEater
So many people mix up of and off and to and too when it's so simple.-JamieComment
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I never mix up "to" and "too", but my left pointer finger is a little lazy and missed the second "f"Comment
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Houston we have a problem... I missed the second f...
"Well then move your cursor over to it and fix it."
Oh my god, but that would take astronomical amounts of energy!!
"Just do it."
- Nike-JamieComment
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fixed*Originally posted by TheAppleEaterComment
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If we aren't off topic now, I dunno what we are. Seems to be that we're the only people we ever talk to anymore, too. At least in these forums. Thanks for stickin' in there guys. I'd hug you, but I'm too lazy to get up and do something about it...much like Logan's left pointer finger.
Oh yeah, I also thought of something. What if Duration is just a random collection of events and not a continuum? That's something I thought up in the can, so I didn't get to ponder it much before the article on hair loss came up in my old Reader's Digest. Feel free to slap it around.
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First time caller, long time listener! Love the show by the way!
Jam930's avatar... MMMmmmm
anywho, I was trying to follow conversation and it appears to have moved from "seeing the future" to "What is time?"
Sure Im a little late but that won't stop me!
I don't believe it is possible to see into the future but I do believe you can pretty much tell where it is going if you took the time to see all the details. That's why hindsight is so easy, because you have all the time in your life left to think about it where as trying to make an accurate guess as to what is going to happen, now that is a challenge. Because frankly it really boils down to what will most likey happen. for example, the president decideds to go out on a jog, you can accurately guess that he will not get run over by a car. Can I see into the future? No but I can guess correctly as to what is going to happen. Now can I accurately guess if he will never be run over by a car? No, its possible he will eventually but most likely he will die of natural causes like most people.
now as to "what is time"... i spent time writing up a good long thing about how we need time set up into increments but then it was turning into a book so I decided to stop it now, lolComment
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