The Constitutionality of Partial-Birth Abortions

[User6773]

I do; and I know that the Constitution doesn't say a thing about partial-birth abortions.

[Chrissi]

I didn't mean to doubt Jamie. I just wanted to know where it came from, so I wouldn't be giving her my blind faith in everything she says.

[HeLGeN-X]

Well noone has really talked about the "constitutionality" of partial-birth abortions yet...

"Noone" is not a word, it's "no one". Anyway.
I support abortion, period.

[Chrissi]

But this isn't abortion, it's partial-birth abortion. I mostly support abortion, but DEFINITELY not this until I see some kind of... reason behind it.

[HeLGeN-X]

Same thing, I support them both then, how about that.

[DracIV]

That judge is a freakin moron! This isn't even abortion that she ruled on; the baby is fully developed so it isn't abortion it's murder, plain and simple. Anyone who condones murder is messed in the head.

[Chrissi]

HeLGeN-X, why do you support partial-birth abortions?

[User6773]

Chrissi, why do you support abortion but not partial-birth abortion? Does the baby's physical location determine whether it is a legally protected human or if it is destroyable "property?"

[Chrissi]

It changes a whole lot.

Like why would you wait until the baby is fully developed and being born? Why, if you were going to have an abortion, wouldn't one go for it early on when the baby isn't really developed?

I don't really -support- abortion, I just kinda.... I don't know. I can look either way on the topic. I can see that some people are really against it because a life is a life, and taking a life is bad... but I can see why people would support it, especially at early stages, because I don't know that the baby actually has feelings and is conscious until a certain point in the pregnancy.

I guess not being against it makes me for it. Buuuut the only reason I "support" abortions is because I don't think that the baby is developed enough to care whether it had a life or not, up until a certain point. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I know there is a point.

I don't support abortions after that point. In any way shape or form. Doctors generally don't do it late in the pregnancy because well, it's a baby after enough time.

I don't support partial-birth abortion because I see no reason to! I don't see what good it does.. why in blazing hell would anybody EVER need one? I just don't get it!

NOTE that I am not saying there ISN'T a reason that anybody would ever need one. I'm saying that I don't know of it. If somebody could just tell me the reason, I may change my mind. If it's an important reason, but I can't really think of any.

[Jam930]

I kind of support abortions... when it's under certain circumstances.

Mutations, extreme mental disorders, autism and things like that. You can have a check to see if the baby will have any of those defects fairly early on though...

A partial-abortion could be because they see that the baby is... defected, mutated. This should be seen with an ultra-sound but if they don't get one or don't see it... well they might just decide to kill it.

But, ending a healthy human life for inconvenience is still just sick.

[Torlock]

I dont support abortion in any way. No matter how you look at it is murder. The fetus is still living even if it hasnt come out of its mother yet. Abortion is some f-ed up s-t people. I cant believe so many people allow it.

[TheTypist]

...the only reason I "support" abortions is because I don't think that the baby is developed enough to care whether it had a life or not, up until a certain point. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I know there is a point.

I don't support abortions after that point. In any way shape or form.

The problem with this magic point is that it doesn't exist. There's nothing to mark the spot where a baby suddenly becomes a real human.

It's a child as soon as it's conceived, because not only is it living, it already has the programming for the entire life, up to becoming an adult.

Oh, but I understand. We can't mix the government with the church, but we can sure bent it to the stupidity of a bunch of irresponsible Americans who either had sex too early, had sex under the wrong circumstances outside of marriage, or were really careless about their decision not to have children when with their spouse.

If Einstein's parents had the choice to abort their son, do you think we would have wanted the great achievements he would have accomplished to die right in the womb of his mother, just because his parents didn't feel like having a kid? Of course, no one knew back then, right?

So tell me, how many Einsteins have we denied the opportunity to better our world? How many geniuses have been cut down before their years of glory? And even those who wouldn't be famous would influence lives of their own.



Oh, yeah, I guess I should follow the trend... That's just sick.

[ayanepuck]

I dont support abortion in any way. No matter how you look at it is murder. The fetus is still living even if it hasnt come out of its mother yet. Abortion is some f-ed up s-t people. I cant believe so many people allow it.

No matter how YOU look at it, it is murder. But it is not necessarily murder to someone else. I do not think I could ever have an abortion, but I believe fully in a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her body. I dont agree with it, especially partial-birth, but I stand by a woman's right to choose.

[TheTypist]

Oh, great. Here come the moral relativists. That's just perfect.

And I'm saying that just to put you in a box and degrade you, ayanepuck. But you can't get offended, can you? Because that can be perfectly ok for me, right?

We might need a new thread for this.

[Chrissi]

... stuff....

So tell me, how many Einsteins have we denied the opportunity to better our world? How many geniuses have been cut down before their years of glory? And even those who wouldn't be famous would influence lives of their own.

It's not your place to say who should have lived and who should have died. For all you know, a person who, if they had lived, would have created or used a weapon to destroy the world, could have been aborted.

I'm just saying the "What if there was another Einstein?" reason not to abort is not a reason at all. You don't know who could have lived. Nobody does. There could have been a person who - well I just went over that.