FF7 or Crono Trigger? Which was more ground breaking?

[zidart]

Re: FF7 or Crono Trigger? Which was more ground breaking?

well acording to the reviews i read, all of them were positive, the use of poligons in every character and monster was a huge step for the franchise, and the materia system introduced a new way to develop characters, also some apraise the depth of the game and it's plot being more deep than other RPGs of that generation, in addition people loved th limit breaks and they became another mark of the series.

squeek i think you just hate the final fantasy, but something you can't deny is that they are not overhyped and they are not pathetic because, is no just one place that say is one of the best franchises, many magazines, sites and people say so.

maybe chrono trigger is more groundbreaking, but final fantasy VII is still one of the best rpgs in history and the second best game ever (the legend of zelda ocarina of time is the first)

[Squeek]

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well acording to the reviews i read, all of them were positive, the use of poligons in every character and monster was a huge step for the franchise, and the materia system introduced a new way to develop characters, also some apraise the depth of the game and it's plot being more deep than other RPGs of that generation, in addition people loved th limit breaks and they became another mark of the series.

squeek i think you just hate the final fantasy, but something you can't deny is that they are not overhyped and they are not pathetic because, is no just one place that say is one of the best franchises, many magazines, sites and people say so.

maybe chrono trigger is more groundbreaking, but final fantasy VII is still one of the best rpgs in history and the second best game ever (the legend of zelda ocarina of time is the first)

I do hate Final Fantasy. Why? Because it's absolute generic crap. I have yet to play one that managed to hold my interest for longer than an hour.

I don't really like Chrono Trigger either, so whatever. It's not that I'm biased to Chrono Trigger. I just hate it when people give so much credit to such a pathetic game like FF7.

And Ocarina of Time being #1? I admit it was good, but there are far better Zelda games out there, let alone other franchises.

[zidart]

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I do hate Final Fantasy. Why? Because it's absolute generic crap. I have yet to play one that managed to hold my interest for longer than an hour.

I don't really like Chrono Trigger either, so whatever. It's not that I'm biased to Chrono Trigger. I just hate it when people give so much credit to such a pathetic game like FF7.

And Ocarina of Time being #1? I admit it was good, but there are far better Zelda games out there, let alone other franchises.

it's just the opinion of 1 person out millions, just because you hate final fantasy doesn't mean is generic or bad. and also yes millions also say that ocarina is the best game ever

[Darkjakk]

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The Final Fantasy series as a whole may not be generic or bad (I think 12 is a step above a bunch of them, and 3 and 6 are god damn great) but 7 is by no means the best game ever, second best, or even close to the best. Hell its not even the best Final Fantasy. None of the Final Fantasy games are even close to being the best, and god damn don't get me started on Ocarina of Time. If anything its the most overrated game of all time >_> FF7 Would be Second in that.

[Squeek]

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it's just the opinion of 1 person out millions, just because you hate final fantasy doesn't mean is generic or bad. and also yes millions also say that ocarina is the best game ever

I couldn't care less 8)

[pandabear13]

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my opinions are getting the best of me now, so no offense, but f**k u dickweed

[pandabear13]

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the dick weed being squeek (><) new 2 forums (><)

[Squeek]

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In that case... welcome to FFR =)

[u84]

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Hmm.. I have never play Chrono Trigger, so when the second poster says Sephiroth, I think of the evil dude in FF. So, because I've definitely play FF and have never even heard of Chrono Trigger until I saw it as one of the songs in Arcade, I will cast my vote on FF7.

[Darkjakk]

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Sephiroth is just an ass with an superiority complex. >_> Not evil. If you want evil go see Kefka (FF6)

[UtopiaXD]

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I feel like I should probably say something in here since i've followed Final Fantasy since day one. I also find the fact that this thread spelt the name of the game wrong its not Crono Trigger, its "Chrono Trigger" funny but most of you seem you know the correct way to spell it. Anyway i've beat chrono trigger somewhere in the neighborhood of about 25 times since I first got the game and let me tell when I first got it, I was like "wow this game is really amazing. Completely blown away by how they really out did themselves with the game. I might also state that SNES is my favorite console and the FF3 aka FF6 was also among another amazing game to ever be made at the time. I've played almost every classic RPG when it first came out spanning from snes to current RPGs. Now that I finshed talking about Chrono Trigger, I'll move on to FFVII. I also got this game the day it was release and I had no idea what expect, I was not hyped at all due to the fact I wasn't old enough to really care. I bought the game because I played all the previous FF's and I enjoyed them. When I brought this game home and began to play it (this was not the first 3-d rpg I played either) I found the game to have far superior graphics to anything I had even seen to date. Within the turn based battles held even more advanced graphics then the normal graphics during exploration. The graphics impressed me but this was not enough to sway me into be like ZOMG LIKE? AMAZING GAME EVA!11!1ONE1! The game's new system of materia and limits was something extremly creative for its time. This added to the gameplay factor along with the first story that I accuatly had to pay attention to and try figure out what was going on. I felt almost like I was watching a movie how the story progressed I felt myself more caring more about what happened next then accuatly playing the game itself. The fact that the game itself has been praised by so many to this day causes a great lot of confusion between what makes this game what it is. Before this game's popularity grew into immense proportions, this game was viewed by people with an honest eye. Not pre-determined like Squeek's opinions, thinking that final fantasy as a whole is generic crap. Squeek forget to take into consideration that square produces a handfull of RPGS aside from the FF series. Those other RPGs are also quite amazing and if they were'nt off topic I would bring up some. My point being FFVII can never get an honest chance now due to how famous and infamous it has become amongst gamers. This is how it is and this happens with all things Movies, Bands, etc. Regardless if people took a look at this game in detailed. Pushed their personal opinion aside along with the fanboy crowd and millions of people that ruin this game's reputation, and seriously compared the game for its time and what had already been done. This game is ground breaking in alot more ways than people give it credit for. To this day I dislike all the FF's after FFIX because the series lost its creativity completely. (FF12 was alright I guess) So if you think i'm a fanboy your poorly mistakened. I give credit where credit is due and push personal bullsh!t out of the way. FFVII deserves credit weither you believe it or not. This game did alot of things that companies try to copy and modify to this day. This game did not revolutionize RPGS forever but I was one hell of an amazing step up in 3-D RPGS. I can think of little RPG's prior to FFVII that had a story grabbed you and pulled you in. For some of you who state this game was boring if you watch the first ten minutes of a movie I don't think your going sitting on the edge of your seat you fool. A game's story definatly progresses slower as well, after all it isn't a movie! If you didn't like the story of FFVII theres a very good chance you didn't understand the story even 75%. (not saying thats an excuse to not like the game's story) What I am saying is how can you say that game sucked when you didn't even really understand what happened. You can't cover half a picture and say this picture sucks when you can't even see the whole picture. My biggest point i'm trying to get at is that people look at about 10% of this game and say "hey, this game bores me and everyone was right this game is given way to much credit. It sucks so bad I dont even want to no more" and I come from the complete opposite side of the table. I've played all the classics, all the newest hits, and everything in between. I can give an honest opinion in the matter and say that FFVII is far more ground breaking then people give credit for and not to mention quite possibly "ONE" of the most amazing games ever made. I might add that FFIII is one step behind, an amazing game for its time without a doubt. (but thats not for me to say in this topic) whew that was quite a bit to say. I'm done now

[Intrastat]

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The real success behind FF7 was that Tifa had boobs. End of story.

[zidart]

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that's the way squeek works everything he hates sucks.

well said and seriously chrono trigger is a very good game (i started playing yesterday) but i still belive final fantasy VII is a little better, and as the consoles evolve so do games, but no one should forget these two big games (and i agree with you utopia what was square-enix thinking with XI, although X was cool)

[Squeek]

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And why shouldn't the things I hate suck?

Sheesh. It's like my opinions have to be toned down to make you all feel comfortable about me speaking my mind.

If I hate something, I'm going to say it sucks, it blows, it's lame, it's stupid, it's the worst ever. Why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT.

Square makes horrible games. I've never liked anything they put out. Seriously. Their name may be on the Super Mario RPG box, but they didn't make it alone.

Final Fantasy sucks. Kingdom Hearts was lame. Chrono didn't manage to hold my interest. Xenogears got boring fast. Seiken Densetsu never interested me. Nor did Dragon Quest. Valkyrie Profile is too rare to even bother trying out.

Now, I look at my trend of interest in the games that have Squaresoft / Square Enix on them and think to myself "Do I really want to play the next game this developer pops out?" and then I answer myself "No. It probably sucks, just like all of the other ones."

I look at developers like Namco and all their games. Soul Calibur, Pac-Man, Galaga, Xenosaga, Tales, Klonoa. These are all amazing series. Needless to say, when I hear of a new game coming from Namco studios, I take interest. I look at Atlus, and while they're primarily a producer, they develop as well, and it's the same story with Namco. Odds are a new game from Atlus is going to be sweet, so I'll actually look into it.

PS - I don't read walls of text. Paragraph format.

[zidart]

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And why shouldn't the things I hate suck?

Sheesh. It's like my opinions have to be toned down to make you all feel comfortable about me speaking my mind.

If I hate something, I'm going to say it sucks, it blows, it's lame, it's stupid, it's the worst ever. Why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT.

Square makes horrible games. I've never liked anything they put out. Seriously. Their name may be on the Super Mario RPG box, but they didn't make it alone.

Final Fantasy sucks. Kingdom Hearts was lame. Chrono didn't manage to hold my interest. Xenogears got boring fast. Seiken Densetsu never interested me. Nor did Dragon Quest. Valkyrie Profile is too rare to even bother trying out.

Now, I look at my trend of interest in the games that have Squaresoft / Square Enix on them and think to myself "Do I really want to play the next game this developer pops out?" and then I answer myself "No. It probably sucks, just like all of the other ones."

I look at developers like Namco and all their games. Soul Calibur, Pac-Man, Galaga, Xenosaga, Tales, Klonoa. These are all amazing series. Needless to say, when I hear of a new game coming from Namco studios, I take interest. I look at Atlus, and while they're primarily a producer, they develop as well, and it's the same story with Namco. Odds are a new game from Atlus is going to be sweet, so I'll actually look into it.

PS - I don't read walls of text. Paragraph format.

there is a difference between opinion and reality. and i bet you didn't even play any of those games, or you simply hate RPGs (turn based i mean) you can talk all you want but the truth is that square-enix is one of the best RPG developers, i also love namco and atlus games, but they can't compete with square-enix games.