New Creationist Ploy: Skepticism, Demanding Evidence

[purebloodtexan]

Re: New Creationist Ploy: Skepticism, Demanding Evidence

What church has kicked you out?

If they don't believe in the word of God, what use are they there?

On top of that, I've regretted just about every extremist I've met. No kidding.

We can learn love, patience, and wisdom without religion. The preacher didn't teach me love, patience, and wisdom. The fact that I got my ass kicked every time I screwed up taught me love, patience, and wisdom.



And what might we spend two hours a week on? Extra school activities, sports, extra time in our jobs......The list goes on.

[Dragula219]

Re: New Creationist Ploy: Skepticism, Demanding Evidence

Christianity is based on faith. The idea of such a divine being as God is extremely difficult for the human mind to comprehend. And therefore, most people turn to aetheist beliefs since they think that science can explain the origins of mankind. However, in the Christian faith we believe in the idea of a divine Creator. I guess we'll find out one day which viewpoint is correct, through Judgment Day or something else... that's your opinion.

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Most people in some form of god, therefor it is very easy to believe in. Most people are NOT atheistic.

[Relambrien]

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Way beyond a wall of text.

Wall of text attacks! 999 HP lost!

Please format your responses into paragraphs; it makes things so much easier to read, and that much more likely that your posts will actually be read.

[Squeek]

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I'm a better person for abandoning Catholicism. I know that much. Had I not, I would have remained ignorant on the world, believing only what some guy told me on his soapbox once a week.

I have very little against Christianity though. I have problems with its followers. Forcing their beliefs on others, trying to discredit YEARS of scientific research with pathetic counter-attacks... it's all such a huge joke.

I don't understand why you can't just leave yourselves alone. If you believe some omniscient omnipotent being in the sky magically created the universe in 7 days, then that's what you believe. If you believe some evidence to support various theories of Evolution, then that's what you believe. What is the point of trying to get others to agree with you when they'll never change?

One side says "I have faith." and will never back down. The other says "I need proof." and will never back down. It's that simple.

[Grandiagod]

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1. There are more Christians than Muslims or Hindus.
2. Muslims and Hindus could also technically be deemed Creationists because they believe in a deity and that the earth was created by this deity or deities.

Watch this then maybe you won't look like an idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Sq_AzbIJ4

Especially 3 and 4

[mfelten86]

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I'm a better person for abandoning Catholicism. I know that much. Had I not, I would have remained ignorant on the world, believing only what some guy told me on his soapbox once a week.

I have very little against Christianity though. I have problems with its followers. Forcing their beliefs on others, trying to discredit YEARS of scientific research with pathetic counter-attacks... it's all such a huge joke.

I don't understand why you can't just leave yourselves alone. If you believe some omniscient omnipotent being in the sky magically created the universe in 7 days, then that's what you believe. If you believe some evidence to support various theories of Evolution, then that's what you believe. What is the point of trying to get others to agree with you when they'll never change?

One side says "I have faith." and will never back down. The other says "I need proof." and will never back down. It's that simple.

I kind of agree..but in the Bible, God calls his followers to travel to the ends of the earth and spread his word.

[purebloodtexan]

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I kind of agree..but in the Bible, God calls his followers to travel to the ends of the earth and spread his word.

I respect the fact that y'all are trying to bring more followers in. However, it's like Squeek said: They're practically trying to force us to convert. You seem rather civil in the whole discussion of religion, but most of the religious people I've met have been all in my face about Christianity. (This is no joke) It almost makes me want to say "**** you, I don't want to hear it" as soon as they bring up the discussion of their devotion to God.

[GuidoHunter]

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I'm a better person for abandoning Catholicism. I know that much. Had I not, I would have remained ignorant on the world, believing only what some guy told me on his soapbox once a week.

You know that that's not Catholicism's fault, right? That is, you could have been a happy Catholic AND not been ignorant of what goes on in the world.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Grandiagod]

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You know that that's not Catholicism's fault, right? That is, you could have been a happy Catholic AND not been ignorant of what goes on in the world.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

the priest sex abuse scandal pretty much blows that out of the water

[atalkingcow]

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I kind of agree..but in the Bible, God calls his followers to travel to the ends of the earth and spread his word.

Yes, but this book was also written 2k ish years ago...by people who's world reached only to the pacific and atlantic oceans at the most.
I would also like to point out that ALL religions except for a select few eastern ones say that you should spread them to everyone.

How do you like it when Jehova's Witnesses come to your door?

Anyway....religion causes more problems than it solves.

**FYI, i've studied the bible, koran, and some bhuddist and Tao texts. I know what i'm talking about.**

Try sitting and reading the ENTIRE bible once, it's a very violent book.
As is the koran and torah.
Religions cause more problems than they solve.

(for those of you care, I choose to follow the Tao.)

And its pronounced "Dow" not "tahw".

[Squeek]

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You know that that's not Catholicism's fault, right? That is, you could have been a happy Catholic AND not been ignorant of what goes on in the world.

Probably, but it doesn't help that the news constantly shows idiots who blame science for all the world's problems and tell people to embrace the Savior.

Not to mention priests who blame everyone in the congregation for not going to remote places of the world and helping people, or blame people who only worship on Easter/Christmas for not being "true" christians, or blaming people who don't donate to the church for its lack of maintenance.

It's corrupt.

[jewpinthethird]

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I side with Guido on this one. Faith is but a mere speed bump in the race track of science. In many causes, Scientism is just as destructive for the science community as faith is.

[sjoecool1991]

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Probably, but it doesn't help that the news constantly shows idiots who blame science for all the world's problems and tell people to embrace the Savior.

Not to mention priests who blame everyone in the congregation for not going to remote places of the world and helping people, or blame people who only worship on Easter/Christmas for not being "true" christians, or blaming people who don't donate to the church for its lack of maintenance.

It's corrupt.

Yeah, my family left a church, because everything was about money there.
The pastor completely ignored anyone who was not rich.
There were about 5 very wealthy families there, and those people were basically praised for their money.

[Thiefers]

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First post! Yay me!


I hope no one has ever walked away angry or frustrated from a discussion regarding religion or non-religion.

Unless you make your living from the specific study of theology or atheism (and if you did I doubt you'd be doing so on the FFR forums ), then it shouldn't be anything that haunts your thoughts.

Life is about experiencing as many of the great things it has to offer before it's over; without hindering anyone else's ability to do the same.

[Relambrien]

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Ack, Tokzic edited his post recently so now I have something -else- to respond to.

EDIT: Rel, that's one one philosopher believes. The actual page for agnosticism in Wikipedia comes much closer to my actual beliefs:

I understand that; I was just showing that agnosticism--your beliefs--is regarded as a subset of weak atheism. If you take apart the word "atheism," you get the prefix "a-" meaning "not" and "theism" roughly meaning "belief in a divine being." It's just that people don't seem to realize the relationship between the various types of humanism (how the Wikipedia page on World Religions refers to the nonreligious), and believe "atheism" as a whole is certainty that divine beings are nonexistent.