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  • Relambrien
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2006
    • 1644

    #31
    Re: Legal Pedophile

    Originally posted by GuidoHunter
    threat:
    1. a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace:
    2. an indication or warning of probable trouble: The threat of a storm was in the air.
    3. a person or thing that threatens.
    Key word: probable. He has stated that he has no intention to ever harm a child, never has harmed a child, and there is no evidence that he has harmed a child, therefore I don't think "probable" applies there. "Possible" is better.

    But at this point that's just getting into different interpretations of definitions of words, and that never leads to anything productive.

    And I still can't find a good way to phrase my thoughts, but I'll try and make do. Try and understand what I'm trying to say, rather than what I'm actually saying. If that makes any sense.

    It seems to me like this man recognizes that there is a "problem" (term used loosely) with him that others would not like. Because of that, he let everyone know even though he was under no obligation to do so, with the hope that the people would come to accept he would never intentionally harm a child. While this is noble in theory, it was probably a pretty stupid move.

    People make assumptions and believe that a "pedophile" is someone who wants to sexually abuse children. "Ped-" means "child" (as in pediatrician), and "phile" is related to pleasure or compatibility (as in bibliophile, someone who loves books). Thus, "pedophile" does not inherently mean a desire to abuse children, but rather an attribute that makes one attracted to children. It's up to the person to decide how to act based on that attraction.

    One thing I don't agree with is his posting of certain information on the Internet, but I can't even convince myself why I shouldn't agree with it. At the same time, I can't convince myself why I should agree with it. All I know is that for some reason unbeknownst to me, I don't think he should be posting the information that he does on the Internet (this is one of the reasons I was averse to posting).

    At this point, I've lost my train of thought.

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    • MarisaKirisame
      FFR Player
      • Jun 2007
      • 215

      #32
      Re: Legal Pedophile

      Originally posted by GuidoHunter
      danger
      You saw nothing. <_<
      hehe

      Sorry man, I had to.

      Back on topic, I think the police are overreacting wayyyyy too much on this. Maybe they might want to start a point in that he probably shouldn't be so open about being a pedo and such, but the fact that he just has a sexual preference is, well, just that and nothing more.

      But really, I get that pedos can ruin lives and such, and I get that it's certainly at least somewhat of a threat, but I wouldn't say it's enough to make a big deal of it.

      I see taking away someone's right to be around kids to be pretty harsh, even if the person has a sexual attraction to them. I mean, there are many, MANY people who don't even admit being a pedo, still hang around kids, and never commit any act, just have a sexual desire. Kids are so lively and such, they make most people happy. Should we really just take that right to see kids away from someone just because we're afraid they might have sex with one of 'em even though they have never done so thus far(or at least, no one has proven it to be done thus far)?

      I mean, and this is a question for everyone, if you had a sexual attraction to someone which could cause legal problems(if you were to have sex with them), would you really try to get them to have sex with you, even if it could mean quite a long time in jail and a permanent marking on your name that wouldn't look too good?

      Probably tough to imagine, but try to.
      Last edited by GuidoHunter; 08-1-2007, 12:19 AM. Reason: Mod abuse.
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      • slipstrike0159
        FFR Player
        • Aug 2005
        • 568

        #33
        Re: Legal Pedophile

        Originally posted by GuidoHunter
        He may not be an immediate danger to kids, but he's still very much a threat to them. I chose my words carefully.

        And if you really think that a person who readily admits that he trolls for children is not a threat to kids, well, I feel sorry for your kids.

        --Guido

        http://andy.mikee385.com
        Honestly i think it is the same as if a man said, "I love having sex with women", does that mean he is suddenly going to go out and rape someone? Most likely not.

        From what i can gather, i think that the police do the honorable thing by doing nothing because anyone who desires virtually anything can be a threat to it if their thoughts get too extreme. Just because i desire money doesnt mean im going to rob a bank. However, this entire discussion/debate is based off of circumstantial evidence and both sides cannot say for sure that he will either remain a law abiding citizen or if he will turn for the worst and act on his thoughts. Just keep in mind though that just because someone says something, it doesnt mean they mean/will do it, it can be taken as any concept you please (a call for help, a heat-of-the-moment statement, etc).

        As for the matter of promoting such illegal actions i think its deplorable to say the least. If he actually says anything or provides information to aid in someone committing a crime then i believe he should be punished.

        Btw, i didnt read the actual article because for some reason it would not let me go there, i clicked the link and tried copying and pasting it but to no avail... So if you could give me an easier way to get there it would be much appreciated.
        Last edited by GuidoHunter; 08-1-2007, 12:19 AM. Reason: Mod abuse.

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        • GuidoHunter
          is against custom titles
          • Oct 2003
          • 7371

          #34
          Re: Legal Pedophile

          devonin: I'm well aware of that.

          It's just that if the meaning of a word is called into question, would you rather listen to the guy who cracks open a dictionary, or a guy who pulls the thesaurus?

          That is, it's not like reference.com is or isn't reliable, it's that one form of information is much more useful than another.

          --Guido


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          • Tails99
            FFR Player
            • Nov 2006
            • 218

            #35
            Re: Legal Pedophile

            Does a crime need to be commited for a Restraining Order to be issued?
            Originally posted by Specforces
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            (3:15:11 PM) SmarterChild: Would you like me to add the event "Kill yourself" on October 3rd, 2007 to your planner?
            (3:15:12 PM) Corey: You fucking asshole...

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            • wickedawesomeful
              Carls, Girls, & Drugs
              FFR Music Producer
              • Dec 2006
              • 3888

              #36
              Re: Legal Pedophile

              Originally posted by Tails99
              Does a crime need to be commited for a Restraining Order to be issued?
              You need legal justification, yes.

              Censoring the posting of places where children frequent on his website would be a flat out violation of his first amendment rights.
              http://dozemusic.com/

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              • Tasselfoot
                Retired BOSS
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Jul 2003
                • 25185

                #37
                Re: Legal Catfishophile

                Guido... why are you bothering to fight an offtopic battle of semantics.


                as the majority have stated... while this dude is a creep, there is nothing wrong with what he's doing. i can guarentee that many many many guys ages 19-25 (if not older) have sexual feelings towards younger girls when walking around Six Flags or another similar amusement park, where there are girls of all kinds of ages walking around in all states of undress.

                just because this guy is 45 and is probably trolling for 6-10 year olds and is much more proactive and vocal about his thoughts doesn't mean that he's any more dangerous to underage girls than the 19-25 year old who thinks the 14 year old in the bikini is really hot.

                thoughts are thoughts. as long as they stay thoughts and opinions and not actions, there is nothing wrong with it. hell, you can find much worse stuff on the internet than that guy.


                ps - omg, tass posting in CT.
                RIP

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                • evilcowgod
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 531

                  #38
                  Re: Legal Catfishophile

                  lmao catfishophile.

                  At any rate, he's no threat to children. At all. Maybe one day he'll decide to go out and rape some kid, but he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it. The police are violating is (implied) right to privacy by videotaping every move he makes, thats just stupid.
                  Last edited by evilcowgod; 08-1-2007, 05:25 AM.

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                  • Sir_Thomas
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 848

                    #39
                    Re: Legal Catfishophile

                    Is this national catfish day?
                    Last edited by Sir_Thomas; 08-1-2007, 05:34 AM.

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                    • Izzi
                      FFR Player
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 2142

                      #40
                      Re: Legal Catfishophile

                      This reminds me of a story. Most people have probably heard of those police that will try and arrest pedo's by talking to them online and pretend to be young girls. And when they pretend to meet up they arrest them. I think that is extremely wrong of the police cause its arresting someone for something they didn't do. Kind of like minority report but thats just a movie.

                      Someone who is a pedophile doesn't mean they are a bad person. A pedophile can be attracted to small children while still really care for them and ever want to hurt them. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean you should judge them for it.

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                      • Relambrien
                        FFR Player
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 1644

                        #41
                        Re: Legal Catfishophile

                        Originally posted by Izzi
                        This reminds me of a story. Most people have probably heard of those police that will try and arrest pedo's by talking to them online and pretend to be young girls. And when they pretend to meet up they arrest them. I think that is extremely wrong of the police cause its arresting someone for something they didn't do. Kind of like minority report but thats just a movie.
                        You misunderstand how the police act in these situations. Those posing as young girls only make responses to those who talk with them; they never start a conversation themselves. The person on the other side is always the one to suggest they meet up, and the fake girl agrees. It's always the other person who starts anything (the conversation, meeting up, etc.). The police are specifically told not to do it, because that's called "entrapment." Essentially, "entrapment" is when the police entice someone to commit a crime in the hopes of arresting them for it, but in this case, the police are only going along with what the other person suggests, and therefore it is not entrapment.

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                        • purebloodtexan
                          FFR Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2845

                          #42
                          Re: Legal Catfishophile

                          Originally posted by Relambrien
                          You misunderstand how the police act in these situations. Those posing as young girls only make responses to those who talk with them; they never start a conversation themselves. The person on the other side is always the one to suggest they meet up, and the fake girl agrees. It's always the other person who starts anything (the conversation, meeting up, etc.). The police are specifically told not to do it, because that's called "entrapment." Essentially, "entrapment" is when the police entice someone to commit a crime in the hopes of arresting them for it, but in this case, the police are only going along with what the other person suggests, and therefore it is not entrapment.
                          There's an exception if someone has been rightfully accused of molesting children. When the whole "Fake girl" ploy was first introduced to the police, that's basically what it was used for. Evidently, they overdo it these days.


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                          • devonin
                            Very Grave Indeed
                            Event Staff
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 10120

                            #43
                            Re: Legal Catfishophile

                            Well, entrapment (As pictured in the movie 'Entrapment') is in most countries illegal for the police to take part in. And if you can prove entrapment, are automatically acquitted of all charges to do with that entrapment. Besides, anyone who has ever gone into any online chat ever is aware that almost nobody talks to anybody else without asking "a/s/l" first, because if you lie about that, and its logged, if you later go "A-ha! caught you!" you can't actually do anything with your evidence.

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                            • OrganisM
                              FFR Player
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 2644

                              #44
                              Re: Legal Catfishophile

                              If I were a parent, I wouldn't want somebody looking at my child with hungry eyes.

                              It seems like harassment, even if not legally so.
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                              • devonin
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                                • Apr 2004
                                • 10120

                                #45
                                Re: Legal Catfishophile

                                Well, then you ask them to leave, or you take your kid and leave. Both of those are a far cry from "24 hour survaillance or prison"

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