TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[Reach]

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I have a tier point suggestion D: .5+ or full points for blackflags or something. I bf so much it's not even funny because of spikes and I hardly see why an AAA should be worth a whole point more than a bf anyway. If anything a bf should = AAA score. An AAA definitely isn't worth a whole point more + AAA points than a blackflag.

There would still be incentive to AAA anyway since you get bonus points for lots of AAA's. But this would take away the suicidal feeling you get after playing something a ton of times and then bf'ing and getting no more points.

So just to make it clear, say I BF shihen I'd get 5.5/6 or 6/6 (depending), but it wouldn't be added to my AAA list.

Opinions? XD I see the calculator allows booflags now, which is a really good idea.

[Adamaja456]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

I have a tier point suggestion D: .5+ or full points for blackflags or something. I bf so much it's not even funny because of spikes and I hardly see why an AAA should be worth a whole point more than a bf anyway. If anything a bf should = AAA score. An AAA definitely isn't worth a whole point more + AAA points than a blackflag.

There would still be incentive to AAA anyway since you get bonus points for lots of AAA's. But this would take away the suicidal feeling you get after playing something a ton of times and then bf'ing and getting no more points.

So just to make it clear, say I BF shihen I'd get 5.5/6 or 6/6 (depending), but it wouldn't be added to my AAA list.

Opinions? XD I see the calculator allows booflags now, which is a really good idea.

i like that idea. I have about 20 Blackflags =/

[smartdude1212]

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Then basically bfing a song is getting 2 goods lolwut

[Tasselfoot]

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a TOP player has to be good on ALL songs. period. skill token and token songs are available to get accessed by everyone. if you wanna be the best, gotta play everything.

period.

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[Doug31]

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Omg, so you're admitting it's not even supposed to be accurate in terms of skill? Ok, this list is pointless. I could be tier insane if I whored everything enough, but I don't really care. And a BF should equal an AAA, since I think anyone who gets a BF is capable of an AAA, and in terms of actual skill, capable of AAA should = AAA.

[MrRubix]

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I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Blackflags piss me off too, but an almost AAA is not an AAA, because an AAA is an AAA. Although I agree that partial credit should be allocated to blackflags because they're really freaking close. In other words, I echo Reach on this one.

[Reach]

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I think you have to draw the line somewhere. Blackflags piss me off too, but an almost AAA is not an AAA, because an AAA is an AAA. Although I agree that partial credit should be allocated to blackflags because they're really freaking close, but alas you have to draw the line somewhere.

I think doug said it best. A BF shows you're perfectly capable of the AAA, and I don't see why you shouldn't get credit for it. Especially since it's really easy to flag on ffr unless your pc runs it super smoothly. I just think that the extra point PLUS AAA points emphasises AAA'ing far to much, and makes it seem like one player is far better than another but in reality there is virtually no difference in skill.

Besides, even with my bonus an AAA still gets more points than a BF because of #of AAA points.

Alas, it was just a suggestion though so feedback is appriciated.

But uh, I definitely think hard skill token songs should be included on the tier list. Planetz, melonman, otaku's ect. They're hard enough, and if you're a good player you should have to play them and get the token to play them. This doesn't have much to do with whoring at all, unlike getting the highest # of AAA's. I don't play very often and have all the tokens.

[MrRubix]

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I agree, a bf shows you are capable. But a more fundamental question is where the line is drawn with respect to capability. When is one considered AAA-capable? 1 Good? 1 Average? 2 Goods? A Good and a Boo? 1 Boo? 2 Boos? It's not always so certain, and so that is what makes it difficult. However, since the different timings do have objective limits, points can be allocated based on their accuracies, which I feel is fair. It'd require a more specific breakdown but it would be able to reflect skill as accurately as possible.

[peckerxcore]

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i would say 1 to 2 of a good av, or boos would be AAA capable
it really depends on what kind of run it is

[jwcgator]

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Which one is more accurate, the one on-site or the calculator off-site

[Reach]

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I agree, a bf shows you are capable. But a more fundamental question is where the line is drawn with respect to capability. When is one considered AAA-capable? 1 Good? 1 Average? 2 Goods? A Good and a Boo? 1 Boo? 2 Boos? It's not always so certain, and so that is what makes it difficult. However, since the different timings do have objective limits, points can be allocated based on their accuracies, which I feel is fair. It'd require a more specific breakdown but it would be able to reflect skill as accurately as possible.

I can see the problem of going ok, 1 good then what happens if I get 2 goods? It becomes tricky. But this is a crutial problem with the whole tier point system...not just my blackflag idea haha.


Tier points are just based on overall score anyway so why not have an option of simply adding up your total score on the tier songs? o_O

I suppose the problem with this is that it would overemphasize some songs more than others. To correct for this you could probably use the ratio of score to max score instead and then adjust that based on the difficulty of the song.

I guess this is similar to rebirths % calculation?

Which one is more accurate, the one on-site or the calculator off-site

The on site CALCULATOR is more accurate...but the main page is not up to date yet. Basically the onsite one just gives you more points because it includes more songs and more AAA points.

[jwcgator]

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so this one? http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...evel_tiers.php

[x_Dragun_x]

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if still 160 for tier points for tier 4 then im in o.o

[jimerax]

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I can see the problem of going ok, 1 good then what happens if I get 2 goods? It becomes tricky. But this is a crutial problem with the whole tier point system...not just my blackflag idea haha.

Tier points are just based on overall score anyway so why not have an option of simply adding up your total score on the tier songs? o_O

I suppose the problem with this is that it would overemphasize some songs more than others. To correct for this you could probably use the ratio of score to max score instead and then adjust that based on the difficulty of the song.

I guess this is similar to rebirths % calculation?

I know that problem reach, in "5 or under" req, blackflag is apparantly better than 5 goods 5 boos.

The only way to solve this problem is adding more detailed reqs, like 5.8 points for BF, 5.6 points for 2 goods, etc.Bbut those make this system really complex.

adding total score is an idea but it's not as good, because one combo score can kill all PA scores by this on FFR. I think PA is an important factor for the skill, so I want to make every req songs be fair point/difficulty-wise.

Adjustment by % MAX score is better but still not enough, since FFR scoring system is way too combo-based.. 1 combo difference is like 4 times more important than 1 good difference for the Total score.

[Doug31]

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Then how about total score of the songs on the list, but have some weighted differently? Like make Pants be like *.4 or something, so even 1,000,000 extra combo points on it would only equate to 400,000 PA points on easier stuff that was PA-based and was weighted higher.