Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

[shatteredgravity]

See above quote: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " the person who has decided that this makes you feel like nothing is YOU, YOU are allowing YOURSELF to feel that way, and if you could get over your own sense of self-pity, and shame, you'd see that you don't have to feel that way, if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn

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im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

Mental purity...wow, that is some incredibly loaded language. From whence comes your definition of "impure thought"? How far does it go? Am I to blame when I have pornographic dreams? Am I to blame when my body physically reacts to something and I have no control over it? Sight purity? So what...a girl walks by and I cover my eyes and go "Get ye back, Slut!" Do you really think this is a positive message to be espousing here? Just how much of the world do you think we should pretend doesn't exist?

dreams you cant control. i agree. when your body reacts, whatever.
sight purity? hell yeah! if some girl sluttily dressed comes by and youre gonna openly gawk at her and let your mind race with things you shouldnt be thinking.. eh. glancing is fine, but its what you do with it after.
and you know i would love to pretend the world doesnt exist. its so effed up because of us.
[an; that line "get ye back, slut"? hahaha..made me laugh but its true XD]

If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

this line?
eff off.
he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

This is easily ten times more insulting than if you -did- blame us. At least by blaming us you give us enough respect as humans to grant that maybe we're actually capable of choice in the matter.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually -- i know that. its just how you are! its not a diss its just the facts!
and im not stupid. i know youre capable of choice.

maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

this line?
eff off.
he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

I don't know where to begin correcting this sentence.

Porn does not need to go, it's been around as long as the internet itself (even longer; porn magazines and movies, you can't forget, they were around long before public internet even existed).

It messes with guy's heads? WTF? It messes with their dicks more like it. Besides, everybody knowns that anything that guys DON'T know about porn already, just by watching the stuff, is probably going to be answered later in life at any rate (health classes, etc.).

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

I don't see how it could unless one tried to hide porn from one another, rather then be honest about it. Whats wrong with looking at porn when your mate isn't around?

Porn is going to be around forever, and as long as the internet is still alive and kicking, it's going to be limitlessly accessible to anybody. And thank god for that.

oh i dont even know where to begin to correct this sentence..erm..multiple paragraphs...anyhoo!

it messes with guys heads cause when that chick in a bikini walks by you just want to stare. then if you start thinking (for some guys), you start thinking things that are not good at all. i dont want to get all into that.

it ruins marriages and relationships, well yes if its hidden from the other, but of COURSE its effin wrong to look at porn when your mate isnt around!!! youre trying to get satisfaction from something else other than your wife..and that is WRONG. no questions asked.

as for thanking God for porn? dont. He hates it.

Easy-access internet porn is not something wrong. Abusive use of pronography is.

i spose thats agreeable.

(off-topic for a second)
In response to the latest reply before mine...Generalizing the way you do + angryness = no one's going to bother caring about what you said. Just because many teens are looking for an image that suits them or makes them feel better does not mean ALL of them do what you mentionned.

DUH!!!
but doesnt mean they have to be whores to get peoples attention. causethen that attention is bad attention and you'll only get noticed for your body.

(back on topic)
Let's take a typicle situation:

Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to (headache or whatever). Husband goes on the net, browses for half a second and gets free porn, masturbates, goes to bed, happy.

Now try this without easy-access porn. Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to. Husband: AGAIN? But it's been 4 days! Husband goes to bed angry, meets a new girl at work who seems to enjoy sex more than his wife. Friendship builds on that turns into sexual attraction...bit of alcohol and they end up in bed.

This situation is a typical situation that already happens here and there...im quite certain without any accessible porn (as some people said here "PORN SHOULD BE BANNED, NUFF SAID"), it and many other situations would happen alot more often.

i cant even begin to explain how disgusting and disrespectful to the wife this is. they may as well not even be married! if hes getting his pleasure from himself or another women! your wife is supposed to be the one and only, and if she doesnt want to have sex the husband should respect that, cause theres gonna be days when she feels like it but hes too tired "or whatever" from work. the 'typical situation' shouldnt even be one. if hes gonna go have sex with another woman, go marry her you moron. you just cheated on your wife after you vowed to spend eternity with her. what happened to respect?

AAAGH!!!

oh and --

Besides, if we forget about the Bible...

thats the only reason im posting in this forum. im standing up for Him.

[[TeRa]]

Re: Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

Less porn, more intelligent people in life.

It's quite simple, it would be for the better.

[devonin]

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im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

You're very welcome. Please don't take your insecurities out on everyone else.

this line?
eff off.

Respond rationally or not at all please.

he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures. its against God. its wrong. as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

If he's doing the best he can, what gives you the right to call him to task for his minor failings that he's doing his utmost to prevent? How prideful are you that you let yourself feel worthless because his best isn't up to the standards you demand of him in order to not feel hurt?

maybe im just tired, but explain. cause if i think what i think youre saying...dude. just..dont. dont even go there.

You're right, it was completely out of line to assume that you could give him the caring, love, compassion, presence and affection that he can't get from porn. I'll never imply that again.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually -- i know that. its just how you are! its not a diss its just the facts!
and im not stupid. i know youre capable of choice.

"It is just how you are" "you are capable of choice" These concepts are mutually exclusive. Either this is how we are, and there's nothing we can do about it, or we have choice in which case we can do whatever we want about about. And yes, it is a "diss" to say to someone "You are doing sinful behavior, but you have no choice" It implies that we are inherantly flawed in a way that you don't seem to think women are (since -they- get to choose, and aren't "made that way")

maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

You are entitled to post your own opinion, in a reasonable way, with evidence to support your position, and we are entitled to question your evidence and present our own opinions. Welcome to Critical Thinking. If you want to post things, and then get righteously indignant when someone takes issue with it, go to chit chat.

Also, you quoted text twice, with the same response twice. If you didn't decide to respond any way you wanted, and used the quote function like everyone else, chances are it wouldn't happen as much.

PS: Triple posts are bad. Here in CT, one long post, properly quoting people as you address them is -vastly- preferable. "tl;dr" doesn't fly here, so even if your reponses to the three of us filled a whole page, do so. The interested serious people will read every word of it.

[GuidoHunter]

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Shatteredgravity, your laziness is no excuse for burdening the rest of us with the multiposts and the stupid boldings.

I've fixed your quote tags and merged your posts this time, but don't do it again.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MarisaKirisame]

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im a ****ty person inside. low selfesteem and the like. i know that. dont need to be reminded, thank you.

It's all in your head. Seriously.

I have to deal with suicidal thoughts every single day. Things are never as bad as they seem, and only get worse from thinking negatively. I have an awfully hard time thinking positively, but it sure is possible as long as you're willing.

sight purity? hell yeah! if some girl sluttily dressed comes by and youre gonna openly gawk at her and let your mind race with things you shouldnt be thinking.. eh. glancing is fine, but its what you do with it after.

Okay, now tell me why it's bad to be aroused. In fact, tell me why it's bad to have extreme sexual feelings about someone, or to fantasize about, say, your friends.

It's pretty healthy and actually good for you.

and you know i would love to pretend the world doesnt exist. its so effed up because of us.

But that's just ignoring reality... That's ignoring how things really are just because you don't want to agree with them...

he does his best in what one can do in this sinfilled world that we're drowning in

Wait, what? The world is actually improving morally in comparison to so many years ago. It used to be the norm to cut off heads and body parts as punishment. I'm sure it still is somewhere in the world.

where everything is displayed for everyones pleasures.

What's wrong with that? It makes for a more pleasurable world. It makes life more fun and interesting.

its against God. its wrong.

Okay, but what about the other part of the world that doesn't even believe in God, or believes in another religion?

I don't believe in a god, does that imply that I'm free to do ANYTHING?

as Christians, he and i know this. im so very proud of him for doing what he has done to follow God's laws.

Fair choice. If you two have religious beliefs, then that's up to you guys.

im sorry if i insulted anybody, i really am. guys are just attracted to things visually

Girls are also attracted to things visually. Just like guys, they aren't attracted to things ONLY visually, but they are attracted to things visually.

its just how you are!

It's just "how guys are?" So are girls perfect nonsexual being or what?

Because that's what you're implying by saying that.
maybe what i think is right is not what you think is right. but these are forums, and i was entitled to write down my opinion, so i did. but then i just get effed out for it.

Well, if we agreed with you, we wouldn't bother to post unless we had something to add to it or something like that <3 The point of Critical Thinking is to discuss. To take your point of view into a group and try and change it or see what others think of something. That is why people discuss stuff. There are quite a few times in CT where I've gone "wow, you know, that's a pretty good idea" and changed my opinion on something.

it messes with guys heads cause when that chick in a bikini walks by you just want to stare.

That's gonna happen naturally, whether you look at porn or not. Those are just the normal sexual urges people get.

then if you start thinking (for some guys), you start thinking things that are not good at all.

Don't forget to tell me why these aren't good <3 I said something about this higher up in my post, so yeah, check out that part again, I'd respond the same way to this part.

it ruins marriages and relationships, well yes if its hidden from the other, but of COURSE its effin wrong to look at porn when your mate isnt around!!!

Why is it wrong?

youre trying to get satisfaction from something else other than your wife..

And? It is not like hiring a prostitute to come into your house and have sex with you. You don't even know the pornstars, and will probably forget the specific person existed 5 minutes after masturbating.

The point of sex is for the emotional attachment between the two people. You cannot attach yourself to a pornstar you just see on your computer screen.

Well, you can, but it'd be one-ended, haha.

and that is WRONG. no questions asked.

But I do have a question.

Why?

as for thanking God for porn? dont. He hates it.

If he hated it, he wouldn't've allowed it to exist in the first place.

And really, by allowing it to exist, it is now HIS fault for just that. If he did not allow it to exist, then he isn't the god you're thinking of.

DUH!!!
but doesnt mean they have to be whores to get peoples attention. causethen that attention is bad attention and you'll only get noticed for your body.

What if a girl just likes to have sex? How's it any different from a guy who just likes to have sex? It feels good. Do we need more reason to enjoy it?

I'm not saying everyone should go out and have sex with random people for fun, but I'm saying people should lighten up and be more open about it. It's about the most natural thing in the world.

i cant even begin to explain how disgusting and disrespectful to the wife this is. they may as well not even be married! if hes getting his pleasure from himself or another women! your wife is supposed to be the one and only, and if she doesnt want to have sex the husband should respect that, cause theres gonna be days when she feels like it but hes too tired "or whatever" from work. the 'typical situation' shouldnt even be one. if hes gonna go have sex with another woman, go marry her you moron. you just cheated on your wife after you vowed to spend eternity with her. what happened to respect?

AAAGH!!!

There a huuuuuuuuge moral difference in having sex with someone else while married and masturbating to porn while married, at least in most peoples' eyes.

I talked about this in another part of this post. Refer to that part.

If you don't wanna respond to all of this, that's fine and understandable. What I and I think many others would really like to hear is a bit on why you think some of the stuff we're talking about is wrong.

I'm sure you could say "because God said so," but what about for the people who don't believe in any god? What about them? You can't just ignore an entire group of people because they don't have the same religion.

Man, that was a pretty big post. I'll try to keep it short and to the point from now on. Something that gets the main points across in a paragraph or two.

Less porn, more intelligent people in life.

It's quite simple, it would be for the better.

Uh.

What?

Are you saying people who do porn or look at porn are stupid?

If so, why?

[atalkingcow]

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Less porn, more intelligent people in life.

It's quite simple, it would be for the better.

Uhhh.... WHAT?

While I admire your attempt to keep it simple, you over did it by just a wee bit.

This whole thing that Christians and such have against pornography is simply another attempt to force their own opinions on other people.

So here's how I see the Biblical Perspective on opinion-forcing:

God gave Man ~free will~.

Not just Man the species, but man the singular organism.
Every single human being on this planet has the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to make his/her own mistakes, and also to deal with the consequences.

By attempting to force your, (Imho), ~irrational~ views on others, you are attempting to violate their FW.


Of course, I understand the whole, "If someone were on the train tracks and a train was coming, wouldn't you push them off?" logic that seems to be implanted upon Baptism, but chances are, the person on the tracks is gonna hear, see, and feel the train coming before he's in any real danger.

Porn is a safe, healthy way to fulfill a ~biological imperitive~.

At least once every 2 weeks or so, the male body has to get rid of sperm, in order to make way for newer sperm. And unfortunately, its either coming out when you masturbate, or during a "nocturnal emission". (wet dream)

Now, I don't know about you people out there, but ~I~ don't enjoy waking up in the middle of the night.

Women of course, don't have this issue, they have Menstruation, which is alot worse IMO.

But honestly, if you could choose when that would happen, wouldn't you?

Just like menstruation, ejaculation has to happen. We have no choice in the matter, however, it happens to feel pretty damn good for us. ^_^ (FyI ladies, for alot of men, wet dreams DON'T feel good, they can actually be pretty damn painful.)

Once again I've said my piece, and its time for me to watch some Dr.Who!

~+~Moo~+~
~-~Cow~-~

[devonin]

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God gave Man ~free will~.

you are attempting to violate their FW

Counter-point: Attempting to subjugate someone else's will to your own is part of exercising your free will. The question isn't whether they are trying to force their opinion on you (They are, and that is their right as a free-thinking human to try if they want to, just as it is your right as a free-thinking human to resist that attempt) it is a question of whether you have a strong enough will to resist that will being supplanted.

That's gonna happen naturally, whether you look at porn or not. Those are just the normal sexual urges people get.

No no, you don't understand. The proper course for humanity is to resist every urge, refuse to fulfill every appetite. That way, when you are eventually married and allowed to indulge in the act provided it is for the right reasons, you can have built it up so much in your mind that even if you and your partner weren't both completely uneducated and ignorant of how the process ought to work, there's no way it could possibly live up to the image. That way, you will be so disappointed by the experience that it will be all the easier to only ever engage in it as a duty to procreate instead of enjoying it.

(In case you didn't notice, the above response was tongue firmly in cheek)

[atalkingcow]

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Counter-point: Attempting to subjugate someone else's will to your own is part of exercising your free will. The question isn't whether they are trying to force their opinion on you (They are, and that is their right as a free-thinking human to try if they want to, just as it is your right as a free-thinking human to resist that attempt) it is a question of whether you have a strong enough will to resist that will being supplanted.

No no, you don't understand. The proper course for humanity is to resist every urge, refuse to fulfill every appetite. That way, when you are eventually married and allowed to indulge in the act provided it is for the right reasons, you can have built it up so much in your mind that even if you and your partner weren't both completely uneducated and ignorant of how the process ought to work, there's no way it could possibly live up to the image. That way, you will be so disappointed by the experience that it will be all the easier to only ever engage in it as a duty to procreate instead of enjoying it.

(In case you didn't notice, the above response was tongue firmly in cheek)

I just got CT pwned!
(Umm... on topic ummm.... PORN IS GOOD!)

[shatteredgravity]

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*sigh*...

im not giving in to your opinions at all, but you are entitled to them. i was just stating mine and people gave me crap for it. if you like porn, fine. thats your opinion. i highly, highly disagree with it, but you live your life, i'll live mine. i was just saying why i think its wrong, because i am able to say what i want.

for nonreligious people, i dont see how i could even explain this without being godly because its part of who i am. i just believe its wrong because its what God says in the Bible, and i believe in Him, and i'm following what He says -- BUT ya'll already know that and will just get pissed at me for saying that so i'll just shut up about it.

everyone is sinful. men and women.
i know that.
im not stupid.
im not saying that guys are worse than girls at all, because we are all human, we're all the same. but, yes, true statement devonin -- everyone does sinful things. but we were born sinful. we have no choice but to sin because of it. [i wont go any farther in that because im being all godly again...]
..actually.. i dont care.
we were born sinful because we're human. humans are low, dirty, sinful creatures. its the truth. we are sinful no matter what we do. but God is willing to forgive us of it. and all this suffering and sin and madness? He sent His only son to die for us because He loves us so much and wants to free us of this.

God didnt make porn, He gave us the chance to let it happen. He knew it would happen actually, which is something i still dont understand, but the sinful human nature thats in us gets constantly tempted by satan and if you follow it, it makes us do what we do -- men and women, boys and girls, children of all ages. otherwise we would be perfect, holy, blameless, and utterly pure beyond any stretch of the imagination! [sounds pretty to me]

God definitely gave us free will as stated before, but theres only two paths - fork in the road. one sign reads "sin", and though the road may look wider and better, its only temporary. like porn - its only temporary satisfaction. then it just leaves you empty. but the other sign reads "God". though the path may look rougher and narrower, its only because our struggles pull us closer to God -- if we allow it.

this is the world as we know it [no FFRpun intended], isnt it?
*sigh*

and i would ask that you stay off my back about all my personal issues. alright, it was stupid on my part to throw them in there, but i just got thinking and thats what came up. sorry for your 'inconveniences'...
and so i made a few mistakes with my replies. SORRY...[geez]

i dont even know what else to say except that i do honestly apologize to anyone i offended. hopefully you'll accept it.

[devonin]

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im not giving in to your opinions at all, but you are entitled to them. i was just stating mine and people gave me crap for it.

This is a forum for -discussion- and -debate- not mutual airing of opinions so we can all stand around and marvel at how different our opinions are. If you will refuse to even begin to consider the possibility that you might be wrong, CT isn't the place for you (And that's the general 'you' not you specifically)

if you like porn, fine. thats your opinion. i highly, highly disagree with it, but you live your life, i'll live mine. i was just saying why i think its wrong, because i am able to say what i want.

And especially here in CT we're allowed to address the reasoning behind what you say, and expect you to do us the respect of addressing any objections we may lodge with your reasoning.

we were born sinful because we're human. humans are low, dirty, sinful creatures.

And yet we're made in God's image? What does this say about God?

otherwise we would be perfect, holy, blameless, and utterly pure beyond any stretch of the imagination! [sounds pretty to me]

If we were perfect, we would be God were we not? We cannot be perfect if we are ever seperate and distinct entities from God, lest we become the equals of God, and I haven't met many christians who would consider such a concept.

God definitely gave us free will as stated before, but theres only two paths - fork in the road. one sign reads "sin", and though the road may look wider and better, its only temporary. like porn - its only temporary satisfaction. then it just leaves you empty. but the other sign reads "God". though the path may look rougher and narrower, its only because our struggles pull us closer to God -- if we allow it.

"You have the choice between doing exactly what I tell you, or facing eternal damnation in the fires of hell" That isn't free will, that's Argumentum Ad Baculum, and I assess God -5 points for the fallacy.

[uselessaccount]

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It's hard deal with and disturbingly appealing , but it really is morally wrong IMO. You don't even have to put it in religious perspective. Christians aren't trying to force their opinion on other people, there are just some who are actively fighting against what they think is wrong (think of Anti-Iraq protesting).

Anyways the basis of what I believe is.. if you have any single friend thats a girl, then how would you not think that porn is wrong?

and

"You have the choice between doing exactly what I tell you, or facing eternal damnation in the fires of hell" That isn't free will, that's Argumentum Ad Baculum, and I assess God -5 points for the fallacy.

"You have a choice. I can save you. Follow me out of here and be saved, or you can stay here where hell is certain"
That's more accurate in terms of what people try to preach

[[TeRa]]

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I'm not gonna go say anything, because this is gonna end up like most site's where I say something and then everyone is against me, and I end up never signing on again, so sorry for not answering your question, I just don't want this to end up like ODI or BMS

Sorry MarisaKirisame =/

[shatteredgravity]

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I'm not gonna go say anything, because this is gonna end up like most site's where I say something and then everyone is against me, and I end up never signing on again, so sorry for not answering your question, I just don't want this to end up like ODI or BMS

Sorry MarisaKirisame =/

yeeap. pretty much.

[uselessaccount]

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I just don't want this to end up like ODI or BMS

lol what are you talkin about? ODI is the greatest place on the planet =p

[devonin]

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If someone reacts in an inappropriate way that would make you consider not logging in again, they will certainly have broken rules and will be punished, so you don't have to leave.

If however, you just can't bear to have your opinions opposed with objections, and be obliged to address those objections with supported evidence, then I think you may be right that leaving CT is the better course.