Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

[evilcowgod]

Re: Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

I honestly don't see whats wrong with looking at porn if you're under 18. Just as long as you know what you're doing and don't do something stupid like get spyware or some other garbage from random sites.

Why wait until you're 18 anyway? By that time you'll probably have a girlfriend, so you might as well enjoy fapping before then.

[devonin]

Re: Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

WOOT! I love Harrison Bergeron!

It's almost scary how many discussions and situations warrant that comparison.

[OrganisM]

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It's almost scary how many discussions and situations warrant that comparison.

And that's exactly what makes so much of Vonnegut's work so powerful.

[shade11]

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Interesting point going on here. Just means that the parents hold more of a choice now than ever with pornography.

[OrganisM]

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Interesting point going on here. Just means that the parents hold more of a choice now than ever with pornography.

No. You must not have read what I posted. What better control do parents have if filters are ineffective?

[shatteredgravity]

Re: Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

hm. you dont want long and angry, you want long and angry. hm.
OKAY.

first off, for girls its a major diss to themselves cause theyre just using their body to get attention for a one night stand. girls think sex = love, whereas guys just want sex cause it feels good. whatever. off topic. second for girls its trashing your body. its making guys think things about you that you probably dont even want. want to be a whore for EVERY male's eyes to see and slide over your body, drooling over you while he has a girlfriend whom he treats with respect?

frickin pornstars i tell you. i just want to strangle them all.

and on here! HEL-LOOO??? FFR is for FFR. not you effed up dirtbags who wear no clothes and display everything for every guy to see and obsess over. sickening, just sickening. if youre here frickin PLAY FFR!!! if youre just here to show off your everything, get the hell out because its awful for everyone.

i dont think that those girls really know what theyre doing to guys. a little modesty never killed anyone, infact it would make you a better person.

this is going all over. im not thinking straight.

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

my boyfriend struggles with it. it pulls him away from God and hurts him inside because he knows its wrong. just stating it and not trying to be selfish, but it comes through and hurts me too to know that hes seen other girls wearing nearly nothing. then i feel like nothing. somehow ive helped him a little bit by holding him accountable. i can try, but its up to him and all guys as well to do their part and strive for mental purity and sight purity -- no matter what the world throws at you. do your best, men.

porn hurts everybody. it does no good at all.

AAGH.
dont girls get it? if you dress like a frickin whore, guys are going to be ALL OVER YOU -- but not because they actually like you. its because they see some skimpy dressed girl, see her skin, they want her. they want to touch her and stare at her and think things that are repulsive and get her in bed ultimately. and all thats in a guys head if they look at the girl walking past them in the mall or someones avatar online or a banner that pops up and gets displayed online.

guys, im not blaming you. i know its how youre wired.

girls?
... i blame YOU.
you sluts who cant keep your clothes on to respect mens eyes, hearts, minds and purity. no, youre going to be selfcentered. i dont care who you are -- 'oh i wear that because the modeling people told me to..i really didnt want to do anything to guys..' well f you, YOU DO. youre screwing up their lives. if you know its wrong, JUST DONT DO IT!

..*Sigh*
i could go on all day.
its just wrong.
just..plain wrong.
repulsive, sick, disgusting, awful, and wrong.
and it ruins peoples lives.
you want that, girls?
well you do it.

and guys?
...no matter how hott she is or how much you want to just stare at her for days upon end -- dont. just dont. its only going to hurt you. bad. and mess you up. you have to force yourself to look away.

the struggle is great for men. i think we girls can do our part and not be sluts.

[MBurns]

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I've been in numerous discussion forums and internet pornography/pornography in general is a subject that comes up often. Of course, whenever this subject comes up, religion gets in... I started by being respectful to those who beleived sexuality was wrong and that purity was "the thing", except i've grown tired of seeing the same thing over and over. Especially when strict religious persons disrespect/rant on how atheists think sexuality can be a good thing.

Just like anything, excess is never a good thing.

Over-sexualized models + over-advertisement of them leads to massive sheep-hoards (followers/copycats), yet moderate these and you get people "thinking about it", having an opinion that was not forced upon them.

Easy-access internet porn is not something wrong. Abusive use of pronography is.

etc.

(off-topic for a second)
In response to the latest reply before mine...Generalizing the way you do + angryness = no one's going to bother caring about what you said. Just because many teens are looking for an image that suits them or makes them feel better does not mean ALL of them do what you mentionned.

(back on topic)
Let's take a typicle situation:

Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to (headache or whatever). Husband goes on the net, browses for half a second and gets free porn, masturbates, goes to bed, happy.

Now try this without easy-access porn. Husband just got back from work and wants to get laid. Woman doesnt want to. Husband: AGAIN? But it's been 4 days! Husband goes to bed angry, meets a new girl at work who seems to enjoy sex more than his wife. Friendship builds on that turns into sexual attraction...bit of alcohol and they end up in bed.

This situation is a typical situation that already happens here and there...im quite certain without any accessible porn (as some people said here "PORN SHOULD BE BANNED, NUFF SAID"), it and many other situations would happen alot more often.

There's a reason why pornography makes Bill Gate's money every year.

Besides, if we forget about the Bible...I heard 1% of the humans were asexual...sexuality is a need, isnt it?

[devonin]

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hm. you dont want long and angry, you want long and angry. hm.
OKAY.

Long and angry no. Long and well thought out and reasonable yes.

first off, for girls its a major diss to themselves cause theyre just using their body to get attention for a one night stand.

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " Eleanor Roosevelt.

Who are you to tell all women that being in pornorgraphy is somehow automatically degrading? There is plenty of perfectly tasteful and artistic pornography out there, and believe me, for the things you find most objectionable, I suspect you'll find both men and women acting in those situations who -enjoy- doing that particular thing. Further, as many MANY people in porn will tell you, make or female, there is a -marked- difference between what they do at work and what they do at home with their significant others.

girls think sex = love,

but you just said that girls in porn are only in it for one night stands and degrade themselves...how can they do both at once?

whereas guys just want sex cause it feels good.

All generalizations are false.

whatever. off topic. second for girls its trashing your body. its making guys think things about you that you probably dont even want. want to be a whore for EVERY male's eyes to see and slide over your body, drooling over you while he has a girlfriend whom he treats with respect?

If a man and his girlfriend actually treat each other with respect they've already talked about, and worked out ground rules regarding pornography, and as far as I'm concerned, consenting adults can consent to anything they damn well want to.

and on here! HEL-LOOO??? FFR is for FFR. not you effed up dirtbags who wear no clothes and display everything for every guy to see and obsess over. sickening, just sickening. if youre here frickin PLAY FFR!!! if youre just here to show off your everything, get the hell out because its awful for everyone.

Yes...this is why there is a section of the forum for the arts, for video games, for literature, for critical thinking...because the only purpose of this entire site is to play FFR. I'm sorry that's just an invalid claim.

i dont think that those girls really know what theyre doing to guys. a little modesty never killed anyone, infact it would make you a better person.

i think most of those girls know -exactly- what they are "doing to" guys (I put that in quotes because you say it like guys have no choice whatsoever in the matter, which is patently false) and I can think of no way to directly tie modesty in clothing to quality as a person.

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

For people who like that sort of thing, it is the sort of thing those people will like. The only way porn could possibly "ruin" a marriage or relationship is if the two people in said marriage or relationship have such a stunted sense of love for each other that they refuse to simply be open and discuss these things before they become problematic. This is what dating before marriage is -for- to openly and honestly discuss your opinions and beliefs about things that are important to you, to ensure that you are compatible. This is no different than someone who woudln't marry somebody of a different faith, or who didn't like sports, or who snored. If it is that important to you, the onus is on YOU to ensure that your partner is aware of the strength of your opinion.

my boyfriend struggles with it. it pulls him away from God and hurts him inside because he knows its wrong.

He thinks it is wrong. Maybe he even thinks he knows it is wrong, but you know what? If he thinks it is -that- wrong, then frankly he should be trying harder not to do it.

it comes through and hurts me too to know that hes seen other girls wearing nearly nothing. then i feel like nothing.

See above quote: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. " the person who has decided that this makes you feel like nothing is YOU, YOU are allowing YOURSELF to feel that way, and if you could get over your own sense of self-pity, and shame, you'd see that you don't have to feel that way, if simply because you can give him things he can't get from porn.

somehow ive helped him a little bit by holding him accountable. i can try, but its up to him and all guys as well to do their part and strive for mental purity and sight purity

Mental purity...wow, that is some incredibly loaded language. From whence comes your definition of "impure thought"? How far does it go? Am I to blame when I have pornographic dreams? Am I to blame when my body physically reacts to something and I have no control over it? Sight purity? So what...a girl walks by and I cover my eyes and go "Get ye back, Slut!" Do you really think this is a positive message to be espousing here? Just how much of the world do you think we should pretend doesn't exist?

guys, im not blaming you. i know its how youre wired.

This is easily ten times more insulting than if you -did- blame us. At least by blaming us you give us enough respect as humans to grant that maybe we're actually capable of choice in the matter.

girls?
... i blame YOU.

Funny how you give -more- respect to the ones you have the lower opinion of.

its just wrong. to me
just..plain wrong. to me
repulsive, sick, disgusting, awful, and wrong.to me
and it ruins peoples lives.to me
you want that, girls?
well you do it.

[evilcowgod]

Re: Court strikes down Internet pr0n law. (safe for work)

porn hurts everybody. it does no good at all.

This is the only sentence that caught my eye. Porn does not hurt anybody, those who decide to partake in porn movies/films/pictures, have made that choice on their own, and get paid for it. It's their goal to make money of you because you like what you see. Of course, hardly anybody ever ends up paying for internet pornography.

porn just needs to go. it messes with guys heads and lives beyond anything we girls could ever know. it ruins marriages and ruins relationships.

I don't know where to begin correcting this sentence.

Porn does not need to go, it's been around as long as the internet itself (even longer; porn magazines and movies, you can't forget, they were around long before public internet even existed).

It messes with guy's heads? WTF? It messes with their dicks more like it. Besides, everybody knowns that anything that guys DON'T know about porn already, just by watching the stuff, is probably going to be answered later in life at any rate (health classes, etc.).

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

I don't see how it could unless one tried to hide porn from one another, rather then be honest about it. Whats wrong with looking at porn when your mate isn't around?

Porn is going to be around forever, and as long as the internet is still alive and kicking, it's going to be limitlessly accessible to anybody. And thank god for that.

[GuidoHunter]

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This is the only sentence that caught my eye. Porn does not hurt anybody, those who decide to partake in porn movies/films/pictures, have made that choice on their own, and get paid for it. It's their goal to make money of you because you like what you see. Of course, hardly anybody ever ends up paying for internet pornography.

Right, because getting paid to do something you choose to do eliminates all risk of physical, mental, and/or emotional injury.

Come on, man.

It ruins and marriages? Why? How? Care to explain?

Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[devonin]

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Porn != Addiction to porn any more than smoking a cigar now and again is an addiction to tobacco, or a glass of wine with christmas dinner is alcoholism.

-Anything- done to extreme excess is unhealthy, you can't judge something as completely bad just because of what happens when it is done to excess.

[MarisaKirisame]

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Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

--Guido

Personally, I wouldn't get married in the first place with someone who did not like the things I do, just as there are a few(not very many, but a few) things that would bother me a bit in someone else.

Of course, I wouldn't stop dating someone JUST because I didn't like something that they did, but if I chose to marry them while still not liking the thing they did, I would not bother them for doing it. It is their choice, and if I love the person that much, it shouldn't make a difference at all what they're into.

I admit, there are some things that morally, I'm really, REALLY against, but I'd manage to get over it and accept them for who they are if I were willing to MARRY them.

[GuidoHunter]

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Porn != Addiction to porn any more than smoking a cigar now and again is an addiction to tobacco, or a glass of wine with christmas dinner is alcoholism.

-Anything- done to extreme excess is unhealthy, you can't judge something as completely bad just because of what happens when it is done to excess.

I was addressing evilcowgod and evilcowgod only, not the OP or anything else mentioned.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[evilcowgod]

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Right, because getting paid to do something you choose to do eliminates all risk of physical, mental, and/or emotional injury.

Come on, man.

I'm not saying there isn't risk involved, but it's their choice. It's not anybody else's falut.

Addictions of any kind put great strain on all relationships: marital, parental, familial, and friendly. Such strain can easily cause failure in marriages whether they be strong ones or fragile ones. You'd have to be naïve to think that porn doesn't hurt marriages.

It would only hurt a marriage if the change is unexpected, I'm sure if they talked about it beforehand, it would be ok.

[MarisaKirisame]

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It would only hurt a marriage if the change is unexpected, I'm sure if they talked about it beforehand, it would be ok.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Unless the addiction is new, it should not cause any harm, as any major stuff should've been dealt with before the marriage.