Global Warming:Real or Fake?

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  • tsugomaru
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2004
    • 3962

    #16
    Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

    Originally posted by jamuko
    That spike went far above what it had ever been in the long distant past.
    No, the movie is wrong. The spike shown did go above the other spikes in the past, however, one of the spikes in the past was wrong and that was the spike during the Medieval times. During the Medieval ages, temperatures in Britain were higher than they are now. Proof? Many Vineyards existed during those times and to make Vine, you need grapes, which grow in very, very warm temperatures.

    There was another video refuting every single point of the Inconvenient Truth video and more on google, however, they've taken that down since then. Their entire argument was that the sun affected our Earth's temperatures, not us.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the video states that out of all the gases that make the Greenhouse Effect occur, CO2 makes up a very small amount. Not only that, human's do not produce nearly the same amount of CO2 (even with our machines and factories) as the animals do. Also, the animals and humans combine do not even come close to producing as much CO2 as the ocean does. During hot temperatures, the ocean produces more CO2 than any other time (because when it's warm, CO2 diffuses out of water).

    Now, if the ocean relies on hot temperatures to release CO2 gas, and hot temperatures "rely" on Greenhouse gases, what does this tell us? CO2 in our atmosphere is an effect of heat, not the cause of it. In fact, the CO2 graph imitated the heat graph after 800 or so year had passed because oceans take a while to heat.

    The scientist then used almanacs to gather information about sun activity. They traced sun activity back to when it was first recorded and made another graph based on the amounts of sun activity occuring and found that this graph perfectly matches the Earth temperature graph. In conclusion, the sun is what affects our weather, not us.

    Don't worry about global warming, although it's happening, human's aren't causing it.

    Watch the video yourself: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+Warming&hl=en

    ~Tsugomaru
    Last edited by tsugomaru; 05-7-2007, 05:04 PM.
    Originally posted by Hiluluk
    WHEN do you think people die...?
    When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
    When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
    When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
    IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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    • Xack24
      FFR Player
      • Mar 2007
      • 44

      #17
      Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

      Recently, the Environmental Activists Club at my school was raising money for global warming. I asked every member I knew how the money was supposed to help, I never recieved a good answer. Most people I come across talking about global warming and how we're all going die because of it have awful arguments. I don't know much, but I'm more inclined to believe those who have at least made sense: The ones who said it's just happening and it has nothing to do with us.

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      • GuidoHunter
        is against custom titles
        • Oct 2003
        • 7371

        #18
        Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

        Originally posted by MagicCarpetRide
        The earth seems like a living thing..... Like trees/plants. If we treat it like **** it dies.....We are on our way...YAY I WIN!
        No, you don't.

        The Earth will go on with or without us; it's just a ball of rock and water. Lots of life could suffer, but not all. Life will continue even if humanity DOES wipe itself off the earth.

        @Xack: I did the same thing with the "Stop genocide in Africa" group.

        --Guido


        Originally posted by Grandiagod
        Originally posted by Grandiagod
        She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
        Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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        • Engler
          FFR Player
          • Jan 2007
          • 2340

          #19
          Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

          Originally posted by Relambrien
          Tim Ball
          haha.

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          • Adamaja456
            Absurd
            • Dec 2006
            • 6433

            #20
            Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

            Guido has many good points, i agree with everything he says



            Just thought id mention what i saw on Earth:2100

            It was a show on ON DEMAND on the science channel, im not sure if its true or not so dont judge me =]

            But the program was showing different aspects of Earth in 100 years, and they were saying how in 100 years, HALF of the Amazon Rain Forest will turn into desert.

            personally, i dont find it that hard to believe.


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            • Squeek
              let it snow~
              • Jan 2004
              • 14444

              #21
              Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

              I always mention this in every global warming thread, but it's fun saying it again.

              Crazed global warming fanatics always seem to attribute weird weather patterns with global warming. For example, this Winter, we had a few weeks of really warm weather right before two months of severe cold. And that continued well into Spring. It's almost completely turned around, but I still don't feel safe putting away the Winter coat.

              So what are these "crazy weather patterns" attributed to if not global warming?

              El Niño / La Niña

              The media stopped covering them so people assumed they went away, since anything that's not in the news doesn't exist.

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              • GuidoHunter
                is against custom titles
                • Oct 2003
                • 7371

                #22
                Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                Originally posted by Adamaja456
                But the program was showing different aspects of Earth in 100 years, and they were saying how in 100 years, HALF of the Amazon Rain Forest will turn into desert.

                personally, i dont find it that hard to believe.
                I do. In order to turn something into desert you have to completely remove all sources of life and food. Lots of catastrophic things could happen due to global warming, but desertification of the Amazon is certainly not one of them.

                --Guido


                Originally posted by Grandiagod
                Originally posted by Grandiagod
                She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                • Engler
                  FFR Player
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 2340

                  #23
                  Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                  I've heard of El Nino. Science class is usually boring, but I thought it was fascinating.

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                  • lavakeese
                    FFR Player
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 10

                    #24
                    Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                    I became a vegetarian because all of the factory farms in the US produce more CO2 than every single car on the road today. Global warming is real, and if you don't believe me, you've been duped by a government that profits from oil and doesn't want the American people to realize what they've done to the earth.
                    ^_^ MUFFIN!!!^_^

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                    • JasonKey
                      FFR Underseer
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 2643

                      #25
                      Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                      I think something is going on .. however, I think its simply politics to debate the "why".

                      Are things changing globally? Yes. Can we change it? Likely no .. Should we prepare for the changes to accelerate? Duh!


                      THATS what annoys me .. politicians debate the why, or who is responsible .. ect .. Why does it matter who,what or why?

                      The simple question is: is something changing, and will "it" get worse?

                      Originally posted by Synthlight
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                      Cheers,
                      Synthlight

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                      • madmatt621
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 3000

                        #26
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                        • 6 p01nt3d*st@r
                          FFR Player
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 1120

                          #27
                          Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                          global is deffintley real
                          i study weather a lot and i know that pollution in the atmousphere can cause a greenhouse affect. Rasing the earths tempeture by a couple degrese every decade or so.
                          its the reason all these tornadoes and hurracanes are hitting and the sea leval rising.
                          i predict i will get worse untill we do something about it. The tornado that hit greensburg,kansas was a 1 1/2 mile wide EF-5 and more tornadoes like that will hit more often maby even lager cities with a bigger death tool.
                          i predict we will get about 2-4 large hurracanes the season
                          i live whear one of the biggest tornades hit at that time on april,3,1974. It relly affected the area.
                          tornades can hit anywear and mabey even my town again.
                          global warming is real.

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                          • sharpnova
                            FFR Player
                            • May 2007
                            • 4

                            #28
                            Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                            Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                            sharpnova, quit listening to Sean Hannity. He gives a bad name to logical conservatives.

                            --Guido

                            http://andy.mikee385.com
                            afraid i'm not a conservative either. i find politics to be another religion or football. just something absurdly idiotic for people with low IQ's to get passionate about. maybe I'm wrong. maybe it is important to get passioante about a bunch of figureheads touting the agenda of the corporations that sponsored their campaigns.

                            i just don't buy into the global warming craze.

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                            • madmatt621
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 3000

                              #29
                              Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                              Originally posted by Engler
                              I've heard of El Nino. Science class is usually boring, but I thought it was fascinating.
                              El Nino causes rain and fires. El Nino doesn't really have an effect towards global warning. It's an annual storm that targets the southwest United States.

                              Originally posted by 6 p01nt3d*st@r
                              The tornado that hit greensburg,kansas was a 1 1/2 mile wide EF-5 and more tornadoes like that will hit more often maby even lager cities with a bigger death tool.
                              The tornado that hit Greensburg, Kansas formed from a super cell off of a hook echo. Storms like that one form when cool, moist air collides with warm, dry air. Seems like you hardly know weather. In other words, that super cell is typical this time of year.
                              Last edited by madmatt621; 05-7-2007, 07:02 PM.

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                              • Relambrien
                                FFR Player
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1644

                                #30
                                Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

                                Originally posted by 6 p01nt3d*st@r
                                global is deffintley real
                                i study weather a lot and i know that pollution in the atmousphere can cause a greenhouse affect. Rasing the earths tempeture by a couple degrese every decade or so.
                                its the reason all these tornadoes and hurracanes are hitting and the sea leval rising.
                                i predict i will get worse untill we do something about it. The tornado that hit greensburg,kansas was a 1 1/2 mile wide EF-5 and more tornadoes like that will hit more often maby even lager cities with a bigger death tool.
                                i predict we will get about 2-4 large hurracanes the season
                                i live whear one of the biggest tornades hit at that time on april,3,1974. It relly affected the area.
                                tornades can hit anywear and mabey even my town again.
                                global warming is real.
                                I refuse to believe you have any sort of high-level knowledge of weather, simply because of your grammar and spelling. Being unable to spell "temperature," "degrees," "hurricanes," and "tornadoes" does not support your claim that you "study weather a lot." It may be a lot to you, but judging from your post, it's paltry compared to some of the others.

                                But allow me to discuss some of your points anyway.

                                Hurricanes becoming more common? They're not. This past hurricane season for eastern USA was NOTHING like expectations, and was very calm. Tornadoes are not increasing at any sort of noticeable rate.

                                Simply go into the transcript of the special I talked about (earlier on in this thread), and you will see several scientists with Ph.D's in climatology talking about how there have been no noticeable increases in severe weather. I'm much more inclined to believe them than you, since you can't even spell "atmosphere."

                                As for madmatt621:

                                Graph 1: A temperature graph over a 140-year span, is it? Try a graph of the Earth's climate changes over a much longer period of time, since only 140 years could easily be part of a standard climate variation.

                                Graph 2: Once again, only 10 years. Standard climate variation theory applies.

                                Graph 3: See graph arguments in previous posts.

                                Graph 4: Only 40 years, standard climate variation.

                                Graph 5: Solar changes don't really interest or concern what I've been talking about, so I don't think it really applies.

                                Graph 6: Notice the regular spikes in the graph? Now would be about the time another spike would be warranted. Besides, according to that graph, the most recent spike started occurring 10,000 years ago, well before humans developed any sort of civilization (with the five traits of a civilization; that started about 5,000 years ago in Sumer)


                                Graph 7: See graph arguments in previous posts. Also, it would be nice if there was some explanation as to what each color represented.

                                Graph 8/9: These are predictions, therefore there is nothing to refute.

                                Graph 10: Once again, only 40 years. The thickness would decrease as the world got warmer, wouldn't it? Standard climate variation, once again.

                                I have a question for the global warming supporters, though, that hasn't been answered yet.

                                Why, in the graph shown in An Inconvenient Truth, hailed as the champion documentary for global warming, did temperature tend to rise BEFORE CO2?

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