Should the government stop abortions?

[8Shade8]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

I believe abortion should not be exiled, but rather used responibly. Such as if a female is raped and is pregnant at the freakin age of 13, she should have every right to abortion.

On the other hand, if you don't feel like using protection and you have repeated abortion, it should be thought of as murder. What if that child would of grown up and had HUGE revelations for our country? That person could of been a great leader.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

I believe abortion should not be exiled, but rather used responibly. Such as if a female is raped and is pregnant at the freakin age of 13, she should have every right to abortion.

On the other hand, if you don't feel like using protection and you have repeated abortion, it should be thought of as murder. What if that child would of grown up and had HUGE revelations for our country? That person could of been a great leader.

What if that child went on a mass killing spree because his life was horrible because his mother was forced to have the baby and couldn't afford to live a healthy and safe life?

If someone really wants to do something they are doing to do it. Illegal drugs is a great example. So if you make abortion illegal well then the mothers will have to do it secretly and illegally.

[devonin]

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Illegal drugs is a great example.

I'm not sure that it is. A great deal of drug use happens because you're forbidden to do it. By making it illegal you encourage kids looking for a way to rebel to do so through drug use. If it was legal, and thus under more scrutiny and control, the people who -wanted- to would continue to do so anyway, but the ones just looking for a way to rebel would look elsewhere.

I don't think there are too many girls out there going "I'm going to get knocked up and get an abortion, that'll show mom and dad!"

Edit: Though if there are...good god is that indicative of a much much deeper issue.

[OrganisM]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

Absolutely true. Can these teenagers truly not find some better way to express love than sex? I see your point.

Have you had sex? Do you know what it's like to make love to somebody you share a deep emotional connection with? I see it as a natural part of a relationship, depending upon the kind of relationship, and even though the original purpose of sex is reproduction, it's definitely no longer the case. There were lots of things that originally occurred one way or another for a certain purpose. When those things are changed to suit another purpose, everybody whines.

Love and sex are not necessarily mutually inclusive, true, but they are most certainly NOT the inverse.

If it is fair to say that the underlying purpose of sex in modern times is, for the most part, reproduction instead of pleasure, then we wouldn't have prostitution or porn.

The purpose of sex has changed.

That's like saying "The purpose of gravity is to bring things back down to the earth, so therefore if you're running around and bomb drops on your head from an overhead plane, it's your fault for walking under it."

[The Bain]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

Have you had sex? Do you know what it's like to make love to somebody you share a deep emotional connection with? I see it as a natural part of a relationship, depending upon the kind of relationship, and even though the original purpose of sex is reproduction, it's definitely no longer the case. There were lots of things that originally occurred one way or another for a certain purpose. When those things are changed to suit another purpose, everybody whines.

Love and sex are not necessarily mutually inclusive, true, but they are most certainly NOT the inverse.

If it is fair to say that the underlying purpose of sex in modern times is, for the most part, reproduction instead of pleasure, then we wouldn't have prostitution or porn.

The purpose of sex has changed.

That's like saying "The purpose of gravity is to bring things back down to the earth, so therefore if you're running around and bomb drops on your head from an overhead plane, it's your fault for walking under it."

No, I have not yet had sex. I'm waiting until marriage. Why? I just know better. My best friend indulged early and his world nearly came crashing down. Abortions should not be a crutch so as for one to say "I sure hope you don't get pregnant, but even if you do, at least you can get an abortion."
Wrong

I also hope to marry another virgin. As for having kids, one day I will be overjoyed to be a father. Will I enjoy having sex with my partner? Absoultely

However, if two teengers are having sex is it really love? Is it really that deep emotion connection that you refer to? No it's lust, a hormonal desire for both of them to indulge in adult affairs just like the porngraphy you refered to. If it's a husband and a wife, it's a whole different story.

For the record this is the last post I'm going to make. Peace out

[OrganisM]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

No, I have not yet had sex. I'm waiting until marriage. Why? I just know better. My best friend indulged early and his world nearly came crashing down. Abortions should not be a crutch so as for one to say "I sure hope you don't get pregnant, but even if you do, at least you can get an abortion."
Wrong

I also hope to marry another virgin. As for having kids, one day I will be overjoyed to be a father. Will I enjoy having sex with my partner? Absoultely

However, if two teengers are having sex is it really love? Is it really that deep emotion connection that you refer to? No it's lust, a hormonal desire for both of them to indulge in adult affairs just like the porngraphy you refered to. If it's a husband and a wife, it's a whole different story.

For the record this is the last post I'm going to make. Peace out

Wow, you're ignorant.

I won't even argue the point; you're beyond help.

Note: I'm sure you've come up with this completely on your own, and that you don't appeal to stereotypes at all. I completely see where you're coming from.

Jesus Christ, you're a posterchild for the ignorant, naive, and pretentious bastards who make assumptions based upon what they have absolutely no comprehension of.

[devonin]

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Wow, you're ignorant.

I won't even argue the point; you're beyond help.

Note: I'm sure you've come up with this completely on your own, and that you don't appeal to stereotypes at all. I completely see where you're coming from.

Jesus Christ, you're a posterchild for the ignorant, naive, and pretentious bastards who make assumptions based upon what they have absolutely no comprehension of.

Well, since

I also hope to marry another virgin.

At least you can go away knowing that more than likely his first time will be absolutely no fun at all *grin*

[DJ Arsenault]

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No, I have not yet had sex. I'm waiting until marriage. Why? I just know better. My best friend indulged early and his world nearly came crashing down.

You guys, I'm the best friend he's talking about... and you shouldn't insult him by saying he's naive and a some sort of pretentious bastard. this couldn't be a more serious issue. our city has one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in Canada. this is a genuine case, one of the only few left, of a teen making and setting an example for his peers to follow... i only wish i knew him sooner. sex made everything so much more complicated for me, and when my relationship finally and horribly ended, i was near the brink of suicide.

You may not agree with his opinion, but you have to respect him for his choices. on ffr he's just a profile, just someone "out there". if you knew him, you'd know why he's decided this. he's seen the horrors and he's helped me through them. he's one of the few responsible teens left (universally as well... not one it just comes to sex, or abortions but to drinking, partying and drugs) you may think he's "boring" or lame.... but he's a pretty full and fun life.

By the way, to one of your jokes about his first time being lame and ****, we all started out as virgins... just cause you have more experience and lost sooner, didn't make you any different then he is now. he's just followed his beliefs.

Believe me, its worth it.... I'm out

[DJ Arsenault]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

Jesus Christ, you're a posterchild for the ignorant, naive, and pretentious bastards who make assumptions based upon what they have absolutely no comprehension of.

and to you organisM... i'm not ignorant. i have experienced it all, and can safely say this guy knows what the fuk he's talkin about... you are the posterchild of the arrogant, know-it-all, judgemental, "sex to be mature" people.

[devonin]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

I think you're both going a little past rule 2's stricture against flaming, and taking things personally, and going wildly off topic.

[Adamaja456]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

I'm not sure if this is how the law is right now.

i feel women should have the choice if they want an abortion BEFORE the egg develops to a certain degree. I can't remember how many weeks it is until the eggs develops heart, lungs etc, but i feel if it has NOT developed those vital organs, to me, its not alive and its perfectly fine to have an abortion.
After that xweeks and its clear heart and lungs are present, women should not be allowed to abort their baby

If a girl gets raped, she should consult her doctor. If he/she says the girl is pregnant, then that girl should be able to abort her baby before it develops

thats just what I think =]

[OrganisM]

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and to you organisM... i'm not ignorant. i have experienced it all, and can safely say this guy knows what the fuk he's talkin about... you are the posterchild of the arrogant, know-it-all, judgemental, "sex to be mature" people.

You've contributed absolutely NOTHING to this discussion.

You seem quite ignorant from the way you speak. I don't care who or what you are, you have nothing to back up anything you say. There are so many millions of people who have sex before and without marriage, and they're living proof that the world keeps on spinning.

I don't think that sex makes me mature, nor did I ever state that. You're slow-witted and jump to conclusions fast, which has proven a dangerous combination. How do I know this? The very fact that you're arguing my point in his favor by coming in this thread and whining about it.

The fact that you've had a bad experience has no reflection on the truth that sex is perfectly justifiable before marriage, and at least, it alone, won't bring your life crashing down upon you.

At age 16, I'm sure you've experienced it all. How naive and pretentious.

Now, shut up, since you have no points to make and only wish to whine, and get on topic, or get OUT.

[DJ Arsenault]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

is 18 old enough? At what age would you consider pre-marital sex to be justifiable? you have little or no moral standards... and who f*** are you anyways? Ghandi? you egotistical know-it-all prick.

[MalReynolds]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

I dunno, I had sex at 17 and managed to not get a girl pregnant.

It's really not that hard.

[devonin]

Re: Should the government stop abortions?

Whoa whoa whoa, we're devolving into outright flaming and insults here. Can we take a step back?

Organism: If he says he's personally had life experience that tells him something about the practice of pre-marital sex, grant him his point. -He- has had the experience to tell -him- something for -him-

DJ Arsenault: Your mileage may vary. Just because -you- have had sufficient experiences to tell -you- something about pre-marital sex doesn't mean that holds true for everyone. People mature at different rates, people have different opinions about what sex is, and how meaningful it is in which circumstances, and just because you had a -bad- experience doesn't mean you are any more correct universally than someone who has had -good- experiences.

Nobody is being especially naive, or pretentious or arrogant or any of the invective you've been tossing around, except insofar as they are trying to claim their stance is the universally correct one.

Can we try to stay a little more on topic from here on out?