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Originally posted by FoJaROriginally posted by FoJaROriginally posted by MalReynolds -
Re: Should the government stop abortions?
Er...yes...that was exactly the point I was trying to make. Guido was pointing to the fact that 'egg+sperm=life' and that therefore abortion=murder, but I was pointing out that both sperm and eggs are also life, but that a woman on her period or a man ejaculating are -not- considered murder...
(Just in case I'm still not being clear enough: The point I was trying to make is "Just because it is alive doesn't make it morally forbidden -murder- to render it "not alive")Comment
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Re: Should the government stop abortions?
Gametes are not life. They fail to meet basic requirements of definitions of life, mainly since they are not metabolic. (They're also not reproductive, but I'm afraid that problems with definitions would make the debate go to hell in a handbasket if that were considered, so just stick with the other one.)
Sperm and eggs are not human lives. Consider them like neurotransmitters; they are the intercessors by which the important process is carried out. That may not be the best analogy, but the mental image worked for me.
When they combine, however, a new, unique life is formed. It is human (not to Kilga: there's no question here, either) and it is not merely a mitotic clone of a parent.
--Guido
Originally posted by GrandiagodComment
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Re: Should the government stop abortions?
Your comparison is inaccurate. Someone killed in self-defense is not the same person killed in cold blood. One is coming at you with a knife, the other you just don't want to live. The example I put forth is the development of a conception.
I don't know, the biggest thing we seem to disagree on is that I tend to think that if you're going the pro-life way, conception seems like a random point to draw a line. Yes, I understand that: pre-conception = organic material & no life, conception = life. Hear me out. To me, it's like a stopwatch. You know it's going to hit 10 seconds and when it will happen if you don't change it. We can reasonably predict conception, so that shouldn't be the dividing line. I don't see it as an absurd extension of the theory (and your latin is very cute).
I'm tired and suck at debating. g'night.
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Originally posted by FoJaROriginally posted by FoJaROriginally posted by MalReynoldsComment
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Re: Should the government stop abortions?
Im just wondering, what do anti-abortionists think about the morning after pill?Comment
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I'd like to point out that everyone in this thread is handling the discussion with boatloads of maturity, which I did not think would last at all.
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That is why the government let the doctors make birth control pills. (which I use and my bf uses condoms too). So we are extra careful when having sex.Comment
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"A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."
"Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor
My new novel:
Maledictions: The Offering.
Now in Paperback!Comment
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i like it, and i do think its better. But some ladys dont remember.Comment
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Re: Should the government stop abortions?
Note that "good" and "bad" is VERY arbitrary.
That, I suppose, is why we have you snuggle bunnies to ban us for posting the politically incorre--- err, against the TOS-type things.
Aside from that, one of the biggest problems with threads like these is that since the issue has been so deadlocked for years we just keep on bringing up the same crap for the most part, so in all honesty, there should be a stickied topic that presents the most possible angles on the issue in the first post, so that we don't keep running in circles. I've found maybe one thing in this thread which I hadn't thought about prior to entering it.Last edited by OrganisM; 05-3-2007, 12:15 PM..
Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body...
changing your genetic structure into a bee's.
Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."
Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]:
"Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?"
Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]:
"My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."Comment
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Re: Should the government stop abortions?
If the government manages to abolish the option of abortion, Im going to assume there will be nothing stopping Americans of going somewhere that allows it? Anyone aware if Canada does? If it's an important enough issue, it will still get done. Is there anything legally preventing the movement of unborn children over national borders, something required similar to a passport? I figure if this pushes into fruition, those who are willing to commit to abortion will have other options.Comment
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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]:
"If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee,
because the venom gets into the blood stream which
spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body...
changing your genetic structure into a bee's.
Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."
Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]:
"Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?"
Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]:
"My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."Comment
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