Homosexual Marriage

[devonin]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Umm, no, that's not wat I was saying. I'm saying I've read it in The Bible. And you obviously haven't, so I would stop talking about stuff of which you do not know.

And the ad hominem comes out again. Don't accuse me of ignorance when you have no idea whether your claims are justified. I have in fact read several different christian sect's copies of the bible, along with decent portions of the koran, the tanakh and the talmud, in addition to having been raised Roman Catholic, and having spoken at length on subjects of theology and scripture with many a priest. I do know of whence I speak, and I was simply pointing out that when someone says "I know it is wrong because I'm taught it was wrong" that doesn't really fly with me.

Several further years of training in philosophy, logic and argumentation are from where I posed my objection, not some ignorant conclusion that anyone who is religious is somehow an idiot.

Also, please explain to me how "The book says so, so I believe it" and stating that you got an opinion you believe "By reading the book" are different at all?

[evilcowgod]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

1.) Many of you think otherwise, but homosexuality is NOT a choice. It a hormonal imbalance or a chromosone malfunction at birth. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you can't simply decide one day, 'Oh, I think I'm gonna start liking guys now'.

If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God. =|

[psychopete]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

I'm openly gay and (somewhat) religious. I do believe in God, yet I think God can forgive me for being who I am, thank you very much.

If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God. =|

Quoted for truth.

And awhile ago, someone posted that a straight person can become gay, but not vice-versa. Not true. You're born gay, it just takes people certain amounts of time before they realize it.

[Pippin667]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

But isnt religion one of the main arguments against the subject at hand?

[psychopete]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

But isnt religion one of the main arguments against the subject at hand?

Religion isn't bad, it's the people who take it out of proportion who are.

[DARKSAMUS]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I thought I would put my thoughts into this. I was gone the past couple days and saw how the last time this came up, the topic was.... well destroyed. This is a serious issue. If me reposting, er reviving this topic is against the rules let me know. I couldn't find anything about it.

You can't put a ban on homosexual marriages. Thats wrong. Your restricting the rights of people as well as limiting thier future.

Lets flip this around. How about a ban on hetrosexual marriages? (Hetro meaning "straight") How would that be? To ban 2 people putting everlasting love into each other by documentation. If that makes sense.

People don't have the right to prevent others from doing something. Thats invasion of anothers right to the constitution. Your removing freedoms of a large portion of the U.S.

Homosexual marriages should be allowed. Theres no question on that.

If you guys are having trouble understanding parts of this i'm sorry. I tried the best I could to make this as easy to read as I could. Just finished driving for 14 hours and very tired.

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

[psychopete]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

Die in a fire.

[soulofcerberus]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

Die in a fire.

More like, get out of critical thinking and go get yourself mutilated in TGB

[u84]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

And the ad hominem comes out again. Don't accuse me of ignorance when you have no idea whether your claims are justified. I have in fact read several different christian sect's copies of the bible, along with decent portions of the koran, the tanakh and the talmud, in addition to having been raised Roman Catholic, and having spoken at length on subjects of theology and scripture with many a priest. I do know of whence I speak, and I was simply pointing out that when someone says "I know it is wrong because I'm taught it was wrong" that doesn't really fly with me.

Several further years of training in philosophy, logic and argumentation are from where I posed my objection, not some ignorant conclusion that anyone who is religious is somehow an idiot.

Also, please explain to me how "The book says so, so I believe it" and stating that you got an opinion you believe "By reading the book" are different at all?

Ok, you are acting in sever ignorance. One, I believe what The Bible says because it was not man who wrote it, but God who wrote it through men. And it really doesn't matter if you went and read every book on every religion.
If you read The Bible and actually understood it, then you would have read that gayness is a sin in the eyes of God.


[Quote:
Originally Posted by evilcowgod View Post
If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God.

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

[soulofcerberus]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

for the love of... We're born with a sin nature.

And yes they are born gay, lets see you turn gay. go now. you can't.

as stated before it doesn't work that way. And before you start arguing it, how would YOU know.

[Lamoc]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

What the hell? Because of Adam and Eve we're all born sinners. I even know that. Most people ARE born gay, they just don't realize it till later in thier lives. Some people are born gay immediately. Never having love the the opposite sex. You were a sinner when you were born to.

[psychopete]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Ok, you are acting in sever ignorance. One, I believe what The Bible says because it was not man who wrote it, but God who wrote it through men. And it really doesn't matter if you went and read every book on every religion.
If you read The Bible and actually understood it, then you would have read that gayness is a sin in the eyes of God.


[Quote:
Originally Posted by evilcowgod View Post
If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God.

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

Uuuuumm, yeah, you are. And besides, God is a genderless, heritageless entity, or so they say.

Enough religious hoo-ha. This is Critical Thinking, not LET'S TRY AND MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY WRONG

[seththelezzy]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Marriage/Sex is a sacred thing that should be shared between a man and a woman. If the homosexuals don't mind going to hell, and no drunken gay men eye me from across the bar, then I would say that they should be able to marry. But they have to realize that what they are doing is a sin and they would sacrifice their worldly love for their life of eternity in Heaven.

EDIT: That didn't come out the way that I was planning it to.

I think that when males lack a masculine role model (stepfather, father, brother, etc.) they start turning feminine. This continues and just build up until they just like the opposite sex. It is the same for females, but with mothers, etc.
I also think that the Christian academies that try to have the gay taken out of people are wrong. This just denies them their right of what they want, even if it means going against their religion.

[soulofcerberus]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I think that when males lack a masculine role model (stepfather, father, brother, etc.) they start turning feminine.

I don't know if you haven't realized it, but just because a guy is gay doesn't necessarily mean that he's feminine.

[u84]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

No, you are not born gay. True, you are born into sin, but you are not born gay. And God is a man, otherwise it wouldn't come straight from The Bible that he m ade man in HIS OWN IMAGE. And saying to someone "Go be gay!" is asinine, so I'm not even going to respond to that.