Originally posted by makaveli121212
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How can you say that because of the fact that it is not solely a moral issue, it should be passed. If anything, because it has an effect on taxes (for instance), why shouldn't a gay couple be allowed to have a reduction? Equal rights is equal rights, you really can't support it for one group and not another. To do so would completely negate the idea of equality. If anything, I could see that it could be passed only on a moral level to protect the sanctity of marriage for straight couples (but really, what does marriage really matter?). -
there is nothing that says same sex marriages and regular ones are equal...i never said it should be passed, and my point was that it will effect the government if gay marriages are allowed...mayve you dont understand how much of an effect it could potentially have on the governmentOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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I guess I can't see the fact that the great minority of America will be able to get "married" and get a slight tax break and have some other small benefits will affect the government too much, I mean except to make gay seem alright or acceptable, but that doesn't have to do with the government so...
edit: but I did misunderstand you. I though you were saying that it should be passed, when really you were just saying that it will affect the government.Comment
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affect/effect i still dont know the difference...but i there have been like, i forget the exact number, but about 4000 gay couples married in the last 2 months...nd thats only in the 3 or 4 states that allow it...the minority is bigger than even i had imaginedOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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lets say there are 250000 gay couples that get married in America, that's still (I think) less then .1% of the countries population...Comment
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theres about 250 million americans, so it would .2% (you said 250000 couples) but thats in the last 2 months in 4 states...we could even have a new group of imigrants coming over so they can get married legally...whatever, this discusion isnt really about gay marriage so ill leave it at that i guessOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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First off, I'm not hardcore liberal, but many of my policies do tend to stray toward the liberal side. Second, I understand you and you're right about the whole 'idiot' thing, I just think that for maka to get up there and say "Because Bush takes this side, he will win, Kerry is a dope for taking the other side" is kind of a one sided and dumb thing to say.How about this. Makaveli is a hardcore conservative, clearly. Anticrombie is a hardcore liberal, clearly. So, neither of you will convince the other. How about, instead of saying things like "you are an idiot" which makes the person saying it sound like an idiot because clearly they don't understand that not everyone thinks the same way as them, you realize that you won't convince the other, and things like "you are an idiot" are the worst possible thing you could try to start an objective arguement with.Comment
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kerry really didnt take the other side and i think it will hirt him majorly...he said hes against gay marriages but not for the ammendment...is that was hes gonna do on every bill...'well i dont like it, but i dont have to make a law against it'...i mean people that were against gay marriage could have voted for him, but he will be losing a lot of those peoples votes...he will also lose a lot of peoples votes that want gay marriage...especially so if nader wants to endorse the mariages...either way, if he takes a stand he loses, so i made a statement saying that by taking a stand he ruined mouch if not all of a chance of winning...
of course kerry isnt out of the running, it wasnt meant to be read like that, he just lost voters, and that much you can admit im sure...if the election was held now i think kerry would have no chance, but the election isnt held nowOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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And I stand by the opinion that Bush has left a bad taste in enough people's mouths to cost him the election. My dad is a right wing republican, but he admitted that he's so unhappy with Bush that his decision is coming down to his pocketbook or his morals- and his morals are winning out.Comment
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maybe you should express your own opinions instead of telling us what your daddy thinksOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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Because I've really been unclear and wishy washy about what I think...?maybe you should express your own opinionsComment
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anti youre just stating things your dad told you...and if he was a hardcore republican like you say, he would not dislike bush who is one of the rightest presidents weve ever had...maybe reagan was more conservative...Originally posted by VxDxComment
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I'm not stating things my dad tells me, because I'm practically the complete opposite end of the spectrum. We agree on nothing, other than the fact that Bush is an idiot. Maka, I don't think you've studied this enough, because you'd know that while one can be Liberal or Conservative, that doesn't mean they feel the same way on every issue. For instance my dad is conservative, but he supports Abortion. Plus some issues are social, some are political, etc, which is why Bush stand on gay marriage isn't going to make or break this election, since it's a social issue, not a political one.Comment
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no you dont understand at all...someone who is a die hard conservative is not pro-abortion, your dad is not a conservative as you had stated before...and dont you think i realize that people that are conservative can support liberal ideals...wait so youre against abortionOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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