Snickers commercial controversy

[Jehoshephat]

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technology is evil of course

snickers is bad for you of course

have faith in the lord

everyone is forgiven or no one is forgiven

remember rasputin

who said

god loved forgiving us more than his only son, so let's give him a lot to forgive

us for

but pleast don't impinge on my rights

gg, kthx

[sherbtail]

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Wow, how extremely dense of you... So what you are saying is that you are willing to believe a less clear ancient book pertaining to life thousands of years ago over scripture with a more refreshed and modern suited doctrine spelled out in its pages? Of course sin is sin, but regardless of what you may think there is such things as unpardonable sins. Ever heard of the sons of pardition? Moreover, if you were to actually witness God coming down to you directly and giving revelation while knowing that it is true through confirmation of the spirit but you denied it and also went against the gospel then you would surely be sent to outer darkness. However, even though this is the most serious of sins, chances are you are not going to get that opportunity let alone want to forsaken it. If every sin is equally bad then let me ask you, why is it required that you go and talk to your bishop as part of repentence if you do something like commit adultery while you dont necessarily have to if you swear a couple times? Also, why is it that the repentance process is far longer and harder for adultery and other such sins than it is for more menial ones? That is not to say that some sins are unimportant, there are just some sins more significantly disobedient to God than others.

Please do not call me dense

Im a protestant so I don't believe you do have to talk to your bishop when you commit adultery. I also don't believe it there is a 'repentence process' for
any sin. If you say sorry, and you mean it, then you are forgiven. God is our Abba father right? this means daddy. If you say sorry to your daddy, he's going to forgive you and love you, not make you go through some ritual until he believes your really sorry. I wholeheartedly believe the ONLY unpardonable sin is if you die without accepting Christ, that is what rejecting the holy spirit really is. I just can not believe that a loving God that John 3:16ed our lazy behinds would really fill faith with all these rules.

Moving on...
Lord Carbo, I totally agree with you about God looking down on homosexuality more than any other sin.

And for what you said about biblical contradictions, I really don't believe there are any, differences exist between new and old testament but that is all explained through Jesus and what not. However it appears massive contradictions do exist between the doctrine and covenants and the bible which is why I don't believe the doctrine and covenants, why would God go back on himself and his word without any decent explanation...

[slipstrike0159]

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He didnt go back on his word, its more like he re-emphasized certain things to fit the times. Do you really think that God needed to tell people back in biblical times not to look at porn online? I really dont think so because it wasnt an issue back then. He tells us what we need to here WHEN we need to hear them. I am sure as heck know that situations are different now as opposed to 2000 years ago and i am thankful to know that he is actively trying to help us with things that are giving us problems now. Do you think it would be very nice for him to be all like "I already helped you guys thousands of years ago, why are you still having problems? Ahh oh well, i have already spoken, screw you and your problems. You say you have new and different problems? That sucks, i dont want to make a whole new book so you are on your own."

[Armadegon]

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Really what is the big problem with homosexuality. The bible says it is wrong however the bible says many things are wrong. Really if you counted the average person would probably comit a sin of some sort at least twice a day. To say that homosexuals are all siners is really not a great thing to do. However there is one thing I do not like about the comercial and it is that it implies homosequals are not "manly."

For heavens sake these people could make a scandal about that ford comercial where the robot jumps of the bridge. Suicide is sin after all (If I remember corectly).

[slipstrike0159]

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Really what is the big problem with homosexuality. The bible says it is wrong however the bible says many things are wrong. Really if you counted the average person would probably comit a sin of some sort at least twice a day. To say that homosexuals are all siners is really not a great thing to do. However there is one thing I do not like about the comercial and it is that it implies homosequals are not "manly."

For heavens sake these people could make a scandal about that ford comercial where the robot jumps of the bridge. Suicide is sin after all (If I remember corectly).

You realize that a lot (if not most all) things on television in the present portray sin and a lot of times that they are ok. Problem is, the natural tendency of man is to sin, but what truly makes someone great is one that can overcome it (as well as their pride by repenting) and move on.

[Wlfwnd91]

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Hmm, I'm personally not religious, but I do study religion very very very often, though I haven't really taken the time to look into the different forms of Christianity. I've studied the Holy Bible and that's it. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole Judaeism (sp), Christianity, and Mormonism thing. Cause if you think about it, it's all the same. They all believe the same texts, but as time progresses there's a new book. Christians should understand what Mormons believe, even if they chose not to believe it themselves, cause Christians believe in the New Testament which was written many many years after the old, and still choose to believe it. I just think that everyone should be respectful of each other's religion, but that's not going to happen, I just hope that it can happen on these boards. No one knows what the right religion is, or if there even is a right religion. In my eyes, the right religion is the one that works best for you. If mormonism helps you more in today's times than a form of Christianity before, then I believe you should follow it with all your heart. If it doesn't help, but the Old and New Testament seem to do the trick, then stick with that. But, don't try and put others down for how they chose to live their life. Because, despite what you believe, I think all religions can agree that you never have the right to try and take happiness from someone else.

Onto the gay thing! As you mentioned, the people who were more upset were the gays who were portrayed as "less manly". Being bi, myself, I really don't see what people are making such a big deal over. (No, I'm not bi-curious, and I'm not confused) I can be just as manly as anyone else, but just like EVERY gay guy, I have my hella fruity moments, and no gay guy can deny those moments. But, if you ask any of my friends I can be one of the manliest men you've ever met. All I'm saying, is that gays should be proud of who they are, like they CLAIM to be. Homosexuality ISN'T manly, but you CAN be manly WHILE being a homosexual. Meaning, going out and kissing a guy, just isn't manly. But, the fact that I eat meat just about 3 times a day, is manly.

As for the straight people who complain. I've gone over this so many times with so many people. How are gay people REALLY affecting you? How is 2 guys making out affect you any more than a guy and a girl making out... Or heck, 2 GIRLS. Society just choses to hold its double standards. I just think that straight people feel threatened because gayness is starting to become more acceptable, and the politically correct heteros are flipping out.

And of course religion comes into play in all of this, but that's already been discussed.

EDIT: Reading over this, I thought I could put a bit more emphasis on the lesbian thing. Who complains about the commercials where the girls are hanging all over each other, and things like that? No one.

[sherbtail]

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He didnt go back on his word, its more like he re-emphasized certain things to fit the times. Do you really think that God needed to tell people back in biblical times not to look at porn online? I really dont think so because it wasnt an issue back then. He tells us what we need to here WHEN we need to hear them. I am sure as heck know that situations are different now as opposed to 2000 years ago and i am thankful to know that he is actively trying to help us with things that are giving us problems now. Do you think it would be very nice for him to be all like "I already helped you guys thousands of years ago, why are you still having problems? Ahh oh well, i have already spoken, screw you and your problems. You say you have new and different problems? That sucks, I don't want to make a whole new book so you are on your own."

Time has changed between in the last 2000 years, the human condition has not. Of course the bible tells us not to look at porn when it talks about lust in a myriad different verses. God still helps us today through the bible and through chatting things over with him, he doesn't need to write a new book, because the bible does its job perfectly. I mean this post just babbles on about very little, and you say he re-emphasised things to fit the times. Ok, so at one point in history, all sins are forgiveable and then a few thousand years later he changes in mind and labels murder 'unpardonable'. I just can't believe he would do that, and would never want to follow a God that did. I'm not dissing what you believe in, I'm just saying think it through fully, question your faith, doubt it even

EDIT:- Wlfwind, I just read your post and thought 'lol', lesbianism is so much more accepted than two men kissing (what is the word for this... as its not gay, because that could mean men or women, what is the word relating to gay men only?) I don't know why this is...

I get what you're saying about the religion thing and I agree with you that we should all respect one another but I've never agreed with the 'follow the one that is right for you' philosophy. Only one religion is going to be the truth (this includes atheism) and we should strive all our lives to find the truth, because if we're living a lie, it's really no help to anyone.

Also the difference between judaism evolving into christianity and christianity evolving into mormonism is that between judaism and christianity was Christ, he performed miracles and crap and had the big scary cross death and claimed to be the son of God, so people chose to follow him. Whereas I fail to see why I should believe in mormonism when there are loads of cults that also claim to be rooted in christianity. What makes mormonism different? Sorry that sounds confrontational rereading it, but I don't mean it that way, I'm genuinely open to people's answers.

[chrristielee]

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in my opinion, simply put,
i thought the commercial was funny in a creepyish way.

& everyone should just deal with the gay stuff,
because it's all around us & we have to deal with it one way or another.
i just feel that we should let the gay guys be, but i don't wanna see itt.

[slipstrike0159]

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First of all, murder has always been unacceptable, but the ability to repent through the pure love of Christ (his crusifiction/ ATONEMENT)has not always been available and thats why it wasnt specifically labeled as unpardonable (because you couldnt really repent before that). In any case, if you really want to know what the difference between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) and any other religion then check out the website. www.lds.org It promise that somewhere on that website you find the answer to pretty much any gospel question you have.

[Wlfwnd91]

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EDIT:- Wlfwind, I just read your post and thought 'lol', lesbianism is so much more accepted than two men kissing (what is the word for this... as its not gay, because that could mean men or women, what is the word relating to gay men only?) I don't know why this is...

I get what you're saying about the religion thing and I agree with you that we should all respect one another but I've never agreed with the 'follow the one that is right for you' philosophy. Only one religion is going to be the truth (this includes atheism) and we should strive all our lives to find the truth, because if we're living a lie, it's really no help to anyone.

Also the difference between judaism evolving into christianity and christianity evolving into mormonism is that between judaism and christianity was Christ, he performed miracles and crap and had the big scary cross death and claimed to be the son of God, so people chose to follow him. Whereas I fail to see why I should believe in mormonism when there are loads of cults that also claim to be rooted in christianity. What makes mormonism different? Sorry that sounds confrontational rereading it, but I don't mean it that way, I'm genuinely open to people's answers.

I'm not sure of the word you're looking for, I'm sure it will come to me at 4am though.

I'm one person who always tries to strive for truth, so I do see your point of view, however this is one thing that we can't simply know, and that's the only reason that I think religion is something that should be chosen based on what works best and what makes you happiest. Yes, we should all strive for truth, but we don't know what comes after this life, and we more-than-likely never will (Unless the rapture happens and we all realize that God is real or something, which is a possibility) until we die. We'll never know what the right one is, and that's the only reason I follow the "whatever works best" philosophy.

And I suppose there's a difference in Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ. But, it's only because Jesus claimed to be a savior, while Joseph Smith did not. Joseph Smith is no different than anyone else who wrote books of the New or Old testament. Jesus didn't add a word to the bible, however prophets of God did. If you believe those prophets, then isn't it safe to say that there's a possibility that God chose another prophet to write more to his Great Book? I'm not saying I agree with either side, I'm just trying to enlighten some people to the possibility. The Old Testament was written by prophets, the New was written by prophets, and The Book of Mormon was written by a prophet...Seems consistent to me.

[Shashmakito]

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I don't like men but don't drink beer.
I'm gonna go 'jack' off.

[slipstrike0159]

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I'm not sure of the word you're looking for, I'm sure it will come to me at 4am though.

I'm one person who always tries to strive for truth, so I do see your point of view, however this is one thing that we can't simply know, and that's the only reason that I think religion is something that should be chosen based on what works best and what makes you happiest. Yes, we should all strive for truth, but we don't know what comes after this life, and we more-than-likely never will (Unless the rapture happens and we all realize that God is real or something, which is a possibility) until we die. We'll never know what the right one is, and that's the only reason I follow the "whatever works best" philosophy.

And I suppose there's a difference in Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ. But, it's only because Jesus claimed to be a savior, while Joseph Smith did not. Joseph Smith is no different than anyone else who wrote books of the New or Old testament. Jesus didn't add a word to the bible, however prophets of God did. If you believe those prophets, then isn't it safe to say that there's a possibility that God chose another prophet to write more to his Great Book? I'm not saying I agree with either side, I'm just trying to enlighten some people to the possibility. The Old Testament was written by prophets, the New was written by prophets, and The Book of Mormon was written by a prophet...Seems consistent to me.

Uhm... try again. The Book of Mormon was not written by Joseph Smith, only translated by him through the Uram and thumam or whatever. Also, many people believe that Christ did not have to die when he did being the literal son of God. They suggest that he merely died after he completed his atonement in which he suffered extreme pain to pay for all of our sins. Now thats not to say sinning doesnt matter anymore, it just says that now we have the ability to actually repent and be (for most cases) forgiven of these sins.

[Wlfwnd91]

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Uhm... try again. The Book of Mormon was not written by Joseph Smith, only translated by him through the Uram and thumam or whatever. Also, many people believe that Christ did not have to die when he did being the literal son of God. They suggest that he merely died after he completed his atonement in which he suffered extreme pain to pay for all of our sins. Now thats not to say sinning doesnt matter anymore, it just says that now we have the ability to actually repent and be (for most cases) forgiven of these sins.

Sorry for not being all upto date on Mormonism, basically what you've said is all I know, so hopefully you're right, lest I look like an idiot when saying any of this to another mormon. What's the Uram or Thumam? And about the whole Christ's death thing, I have no idea, that's all on belief I suppose.

[sherbtail]

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Thanks for the website, Ill check it out as soon as I'm done posting.

Slipstrike, you said a few posts ago that murder is unpardonable, but then explain the biblical quote that all sins are equal.

Wlfwind, you make a good point however I feel that the difference between the new testament being added to the bible and the book translated by Joseph Smith is that the New Testament had a reason to bring in new rules, Jesus died, people could now repent for sins, all this was explained. There was a reason for a new book. I don't see the reason for a new book now.

Shashmakito, whaaa?!?

[Wlfwnd91]

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Wlfwind, you make a good point however I feel that the difference between the new testament being added to the bible and the book translated by Joseph Smith is that the New Testament had a reason to bring in new rules, Jesus died, people could now repent for sins, all this was explained. There was a reason for a new book. I don't see the reason for a new book now.

And that's why you chose to stay Christian as opposed to go to Mormonism, and I respect that. I'm not trying to convert you, cause as I've made quite clear (I believe) I don't follow or believe either side, I'm just trying to get you to open your mind a bit to where they may be coming from, ya know?

EDIT: Same goes for you and respecting his side, Slip