Thoughts on President Bush and Iraq

[purebloodtexan]

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1: Our troops might be there "to bring democracy to Iraq" but are they bringing democracy to Iraq? I'm not insulting or atempting to insult the troops in Iraq but I am questioning the quality and sucess of our strategy.

2: Sorry about the multi-posting It's just once I submit a post I always read it and realize that I missed a major point I was trying to make so I just create a new post. Srry but I can't realy help it.

3: If we used nuclear weapons the results would be disastrous. I'm not saying we shouldn't defend our nation, Im al for security in the U.S. Iraq and the rest of the world but nuclear warfare would have severe consequences even if we were attacking a country that could not launch an offense against the United States. Think about what would happen if Iran gained nuclear weapons in the next few years. Whoever was running Iran at that point could just say that we bombed their neighbors start some religous rant, Nuke us and then point the finger of blame at us for bombing Iraq.

1) Well, not that we're actually doing that, but it's Bush's current reason for the chaos in the Middle East.
2) You don't have to multi-post every time you missed a major point; obviously, since you were able to post multiple times before anyone could respond, you had time to edit that post for the majority of the members to see those "missed points".

Multi-posts might be effective, but they're not efficient. Use the edit button.
3) Another good point; well, that, and we get a lot of resources from the Middle East. So......

Nuclear war = Planet flips upside down.

[A2_Sauce]

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I presonally feel like the united states doesn't want to pull out because of the mere fact that it doesn't want to "lose." I say, cut our losses, and leave. It wasn't the right decision to go to war in the first place, largely due to false intel, but still, we need to leave and put this behind us.

[purebloodtexan]

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I presonally feel like the united states doesn't want to pull out because of the mere fact that it doesn't want to "lose." I say, cut our losses, and leave. It wasn't the right decision to go to war in the first place, largely due to false intel, but still, we need to leave and put this behind us.

I'm thinking that if we cut out, not only will the world frown on us even more for leaving the Middle East in complete chaos, but I'm thinking that the Insurgeons might throw an attack at the Western governments (primarily the US, of course).

[A2_Sauce]

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let me get one thing straight, the u.s. only does certain things if they get something in return. we could care less about saddeum hussein or the iraqi people, our primarily discrete goal was oil and our military positioning and presence in the middle east. there is much worse violence in africa and we don't even consider going down there because it wouldn't benefit us in anyway except for helping them.

[purebloodtexan]

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let me get one thing straight, the u.s. only does certain things if they get something in return. we could care less about saddeum hussein or the iraqi people, our primarily discrete goal was oil and our military positioning and presence in the middle east. there is much worse violence in africa and we don't even consider going down there because it wouldn't benefit us in anyway except for helping them.

Well, I can recall the mission reenacted in Black Hawk Down, but otherwise, I don't know how long Africa has been truly unstable; this I can't help with. But, like you stated, one of our primary reasons for being in the middle east is oil (I can't say anything about the military positioning, I don't know what to believe about that), which a ****load comes from the middle east. Bush obviously considers this valuable, as the US - if not the entire world - is definitely using up the oil resources.

Again, Bush considered Saddam Hussein (when he launched the campaign) to be an international threat, and decided to intervene. Then excuse came after excuse, and here we are.

[Armadegon]

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I presonally feel like the united states doesn't want to pull out because of the mere fact that it doesn't want to "lose." I say, cut our losses, and leave. It wasn't the right decision to go to war in the first place, largely due to false intel, but still, we need to leave and put this behind us.

Well said. The U.S. is mainly staying in there to "finish the job"
Also since I am posting this while listening to an onpoint radio program on nuclear terrorism and loose nuclear material this is a good link if you are trying to understand some comments on posible nuclear retaliation. (On point website)

[lord_carbo]

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2. Kick the **** out of Saddam. Gotta have us a good 'ol Texas hanging (and a scapegoat).

Having Saddam, an insane leader who initiated many attacks during his most infamous times, in power is definitely a good idea, right?

Also, the hanging wasn't initiated at all by our government.

5. Increase troops and listen to nobody's advice but your own, including the wishes of the American people whose lives you're wasting.

If they don't want to put their ****ing life on the line then they shouldn't join the military. Have you no clue as to what the mindset of a soldier is trained to be, and what soldiers should and do know before they join the army?

[purebloodtexan]

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Having Saddam, an insane leader who initiated many attacks during his most infamous times, in power is definitely a good idea, right?

Also, the hanging wasn't initiated at all by our government.


If they don't want to put their ****ing life on the line then they shouldn't join the military. Have you no clue as to what the mindset of a soldier is trained to be, and what soldiers should and do know before they join the army?

That, and the fact that the president has a council and the Republicans (despite the fact that his ratings are dropping); he might not make all of the decisions about this war.

[Armadegon]

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That, and the fact that the president has a council and the Republicans (despite the fact that his ratings are dropping); he might not make all of the decisions about this war.

He is the prominent decision maker though. The only ways that congress could actualy get something done would be to impeach bush or cut of funding. Impeaching bush would leave us with cheney and cutting of/ limiting funding could be disastrous and would be seen by voters and not suporting the troops.

[lntercourse]

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The purpose of the war was to find "weapons on mass destruction", after looking, none were found. Saddam is dead, so there is no point for any more troops to still be in Iraq.
We should be worrying about the country next to it, Iran, which is beginning to create nuclear weapons, the same as North Korea.

The only reason why any of us should be over there is for oil, although that's not a very good reason for war, in my opinion.

[PunkNJunk]

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i didnt read the entire thread because i didnt want to hear people flaming bush.
we all know you dont like him i just hate it when people start to get angry when they talk about their views.
i see the reasons why you guys dont like bush, i actually dont like him too much either, but some things that people say are just rediculous at times.
like president bush not sending help to katrina because of the black people. thats just preposterous.

i dont like him, but i like what he stands for.

[RandomPscho]

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i dont like him, but i like what he stands for.

What does he stand for?
I can only think of negative. One positive - anti-terrorism.

[PunkNJunk]

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in other words i like how he's a republican.

[Admirable]

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Just a quick question guys, how many of you actually believe (excluding A2 Sauce) that we went into Iraq to help the Iraqis escape Saddam's dictatorship? If there are more than 50% of you that believe that, then you are extremely blind and unpenetrating. The only, and I mean ONLY reason we went into Iraq was to neutralize the threat of Saddam ruining our oil rigs. And before many of you object, let me say this, if America, land of the free, was so BIG on helping other countries with their lil' problems, why the flip aren't we down in Africa hmmmm? I dont see a lot of wealthy countries down there, because they're all and I mean ALL basically in a povertial stance. But that's another topic entirely. (Please pm me if you wish to continue this conversation).

[purebloodtexan]

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OK, for everyone that's still confused about the whole reason why we're in there, Bush's statement was:

"...to disarm Iraq, and to free its people."

Now to pick out particulars.

He is the prominent decision maker though.

As one-sided and fanboy-ish as this sounds......

Bush might not be the smartest man, and his council might be less intelligent than him (Who's more foolish?), which means that if the COUNCIL suggests something, Bush might follow. Bad blood leads to bad blood.

Just a quick question guys, how many of you actually believe (excluding A2 Sauce) that we went into Iraq to help the Iraqis escape Saddam's dictatorship? If there are more than 50% of you that believe that, then you are extremely blind and unpenetrating. The only, and I mean ONLY reason we went into Iraq was to neutralize the threat of Saddam ruining our oil rigs. And before many of you object, let me say this, if America, land of the free, was so BIG on helping other countries with their lil' problems, why the flip aren't we down in Africa hmmmm? I dont see a lot of wealthy countries down there, because they're all and I mean ALL basically in a povertial stance. But that's another topic entirely. (Please pm me if you wish to continue this conversation).

If you read the billion posts explaining the origins of the war on terrorism, you'd know that we were originally in there because Saddam was a threat and he supposedly had weapons of mass destruction. I'm sorry for all the mess that goes on over there - including the abuse of the prisoners - but I seriously doubt that you want weapons hitting the US coast. I have to admit, I think that we're just a tad paranoid since 9/11 happened. We've got (what you might call) logic, but we're just a tad paranoid.

And the African situation? My only guess is that many world leaders don't want to get rid of poverty, but get rid of confliction. The military is one of the most funded government organizations in the world; on top of that, you can't do it all.